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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
His condition was "If you abide in Me and My Words abide in you" Tell me how does one meet the
condition with other words abiding in them. There is no reason to believe that any other word than the word of God abides in any of the named individuals in my post.
Also how can one be a doer of the Word if they reject the true
and embrace the false? That is the purpose of the cross, Judy. The cross is not about turning the other cheek or suffering just for the heck it, having already done so in the garden. No. It about the offer of grace expressed in redemption and it forever means that God accepts us as we are, where we are while, at the same time, giving us the power and good sense (ala His advice) to be free to to become what we were meant to be.
You surprised me. J Smith was not an illuminary of the biblcial scriptures. He and Calvin are worlds apart. And Calvin's work certainly kept The Discussion alive for the established and Christian church. If you believe that one can be wrong about something and remain connected to Christ, then you can see why all of those mentioned, with their varying points of view, can be named.
jd
From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I think you named the apostles correctly. It appears that your list of
> names of the others goes down hill from there. You did not even mention
> Joseph Smith. Certainly he was as much a (False) prophet as Calvin and
> more influential than any of the liberals you chose to honor.
> You might want to get a good grip on reality and rethink this.
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Within the church , God has placed apostles, prophets, evangelists,
> > pastors and teacher. There collective ministries are given a
> > threefold purpose, but the specifics of each functionary is unique
> > and even exclusive.
> >
> > The apostles and prophets are a case in point. They are a part of
> > those na med in Eph 4:11 ff while , at the same time, consi
dered apart
> > from the remaining categories (evangelists, pastors and teachers). It
> > is the apostles and prophets who are the foundation of the "household
> > of God" (Eph 2:20.) Because they are named as the foundation of the
> > Church, we can be confident that their ministries compliment each
> > other.
> >
> > The apostles are given an identify -- the "12" -- while, in fact,
> > their numbers include the original 12, Matthias, Paul, Barnabas, James
> > the brother of Jesus, and arguably Apollos, Silvanus and Titus. With
> > this group of men, we have the writings of all NT scripture except the
> > historical record of Luke (Luke/Acts). The apostles were
> > charged with world mission, binding and loosing and the performace of
> > miracles as an extension (in the Spirit) of who they were. All the
> > recorded miracles of the NT scripture are performed by Jesus or one of
> > th
e apostles.
> >
> > Their counterpart is the prophet. Whereas the apostles were given to
> > the First Church, the prophets continue with the church throughout the
> > ages. It is not the prophets work to continue the addition of
> > scripture. That work was completed with the apostles. The
> > scriptures were finished with the passing of the apostles. In time,
> > the Church Catholic was challenged to identify those scriptures and,
> > with the providential consideration of God, the Bible was the
> > result. The prophet, named as a part of the foundation of the
> > church (Eph 2:20) is, in reality, those we commonly refer to as
> > "theologian." He is the one who continues the work of the apostle
> > as he illuminates the message, keeping the biblical message at center
> > stage and fresh for each new era within the church. People like
> > Atha nasuius, Eusebias, Origen, Tertullian, Calvin, Lu
ther, Barth are
> > prophets to the Church Catholic while others, less catholic in
> > function, add to this illuminary function, men like Wesley,
> > Torrance, NT Wright, and, finally, those who have read and are
> > acquainted with the above and have a good working knowledge of the
> > written word, people like Debbie Sawczak, Bill Taylor, Victor
> > Shepherd, Jon Hughs and the like. It is the prophet that keeps the
> > word alive and helps to keep us centered on the Christ.
> >
> > The evangelist, pastor and teacher benefit from these prophets and
> > give their (the prophets) conributions meaning to those within the
> > church who have a better understanding of the common man and his
> > language. And, so , the church at all levels is benefited, edified,
> > regenerated with the living word without adding more and more
> > scripture and bigge r and better phenom. A truly divine arrangement.
> >
> > jd
> >
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judyt
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
