Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

[Judy Taylor]

Why not? All spiritual giftings reside in the Holy Spirit rather than men - why couldn't DavidM be used the same as Smith Wigglesworth?     On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:34:27 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are you, DavidM, another Smith Wigglesworth? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > Sent: January 02, 2006 09:39 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets > > > > John wrote: > >> When you read this word, you see "office" > >> and argue from that perspective.   When > >> I see the word "apostle."  I see function, > >> assignment, a specific and personal calling > >> to the exclusion of "office." > > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "to the exclusion of office," but > you have > > basically given a definition for how I use the word office. > > > > John wrote: > >> ... [apostles were] presented with the assignment of > >> imparting the message of Christ in word and script. > > > > Where in Scripture do you see the apostles being given the > assignment of > > imparting the message of Christ in script?  I don't think that was > part of > > their assignment because most of them did not leave us script, and > it > > seems > > likely to me that most of them never wrote anything.  I believe > their > > assignment was oral preaching and ministry to the poor and sick. > > > > John wrote: > >> It is a function to me and an office to you. > > > > No, it is a function to me too, but the word "office" helps > describe an > > assigned function in the body of Christ.  It is a stewardship, a > > responsibility to the body of Christ that they have. > > > > John wrote: > >> IMO, a faith healer is one who thinks he/she has > >> identical powers and purpose as that of Jesus and > >> the typical "12."  That power emanates from their > >> person. > > > > Say what????  I don't know of any "faith healer" who has ever > claimed that > > "power emanates from their person."  Even the apostles decried > such > > characterizations (Acts 14).  Please name me one faith healer who > has ever > > held to such a position. > > > > I have brought up Smith Wigglesworth as a faith healer of the last > > > century. > > If you like, we can talk about him from my perspective of what a > faith > > healer is. > > > > John wrote: > >> He [Wigglesworth] does not seem to fit into the mold > >> of the "faith healer."  But, I really do not know. > > > > If Smith Wigglesworth does not fit the mold of a faith healer, > then I > > don't > > know of anyone, including the apostles of Scripture, who would.  > He prayed > > for the sick, had healing lines in his meetings where he would lay > hands > > upon the sick, and he had tremendous testimonies of people being > healed > > and > > raised from the dead. > > > > John wrote: > >> You and I cannot point to a single healer, not one, > >> David,  who healed all who made appearances at > >> their services IN SPITE OF AN EFFORT TO DO > >> SO. > > > > I am not aware of any effort to do so, but I would agree with you > that I > > do > > not know of anyone who healed all who came to them.  The problem > from my > > perspective is that unbelief is far too prevalent for us to expect > such to > > happen. > > > > John wrote: > >> I do not see that same failure when I consider > >> Jesus and the apostles or those whom they > >> commissioned. > > > > The Bible gives us an example of where the apostles failed to > heal, and > > even > > Jesus too was unable to heal sometimes. > > > > Matthew 17:16 > > (16) And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure > him. > > > > Mark 6:5 > > (5) And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his > hands upon > > a > > few sick folk, and healed them. > > > > John wrote: > >> I have given you reference !! > >> I have quoted from several biblical writers. > > > > I'm talking about your assertion that you are on the side of > theologians > > and > > I am not.  Which theologians hold to this viewpoint of yours that > the > > prophets today are guys like Barth, Wright, etc. > > > > John wrote: > >> What is not going to work, in this discussion, is > >> for you to continue to pretend that I might be > >> making up "stuff."  I do not do this. > > > > Please reference for me those who have fed you the thoughts you > have, that > > there are no faith healers today, that the last apostle was John, > and that > > prophets are theologians like Barth, Wright, etc.  If you are not > making > > this stuff up, then who is teaching it to you?  If possible, give > me some > > Pentecostal references please. > > > > John wrote: > >> In the current discussion, who have you > >> referenced other than H.  ?? > > > > The Didache. > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller. > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that > you may > > know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email > to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a > > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > >