Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets

[knpraise]

If there be no resurrection the dead, we of all men or most to be pitied.

 

jd

 

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From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> David, I see your point...I, too, beleive that the cross is central, but
> still, without the resurrection the gospel would have been meaningless.
> Preaching would have been in vain...faith would have been in vain.
>
>
> >From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
> >Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:04:52 -0500
> >
> >Perry wrote:
> > > In Paul's mention of the crucifixion, the resurrection
> > > was implicit. Many were crucified, why would Jesus'
> > > be any different unless the resurrection was in view?
> >
> >The difference is that Jesus is the only lead er in history who ever went TO
> >the cross of his own will and doctrine. Hitler was killed too, but it was
> >under very different circumstances.
> >
> >The doctrine of the cross is very important. Granted, the doctrine of the
> >resurrection is necessary for it to have meaning and fulfillment, but I
> >think the cross is primary with the resurrection being secondary rather
> >than
> >the other way around. The doctrine of the cross is where we live every
> >day.
> >The doctrine of the resurrection is a hope we have that gives us the
> >strength to walk in the doctrine of the cross on a daily basis.
> >
> >Perry wrote:
> > > The reference to crucifuxion also would bring
> > > to mind OT prophecies relating to the crucifixion
> > > of the Messiah, thus, the resurrection.
> >
> >There is not much in the OT concerning the resurrection, Perry. Severa l
> >veiled prophecies that can be read in a different way is about it.
> >
> >Perry wrote:
> > > Both David and Isaiah prophecied the resurrection.
> > > Surely those familiar with the Prophets would have
> > > expected this, especially the Bereans (Acts 17:11),
> > > if, indeed, Jesus was the Messiah. Their accepting
> > > the gospel prior to the resurrection was based on the
> > > belief that Jesus WAS the messaiah, or at least that he
> > > was the Son of God, and on that faith their sins were
> > > forgiven. Had he NOT been resurrected, then their
> > > faith would have been in vain, and they still would be
> > > in sin. (1 Cor 15 again).
> >
> >They had read these prophecies, but the meaning eluded them prior to the
> >resurrection event. Why? Partly because they had believed the gospel
> >already and had preached it and saw the power of the gospel even without
> >knowledge of the resurrection of Christ. Again, I am not saying that the
> >resurrection is not important. I'm simply saying that the preaching of the
> >gospel began before the resurrection. For more than 3 years, the preaching
> >of the gospel did not include the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The only
> >resurrection they had perhaps preached was the resurrection of the saints
> >on
> >the last day, but even that took second fiddle to the primary message of
> >the
> >gospel which was the message that the kingdom of God is here now... time to
> >get in.
> >
> >Peace be with you.
> >David Miller.
> >
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