Why would you insist on using the term in a differing way?
DAVEH: What makes you think I'm insisting, John? I just thought it
was an interesting
perspective.
Catholics are Christians.
DAVEH: Do you view LDS folks the same way?
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suggests the term Protestant can infer more than simply
protesting the RCC,
I do not make that separation. Protestantism is a
response , an objection, to the RCC. Why would you insist on using
the term in a differing way? I , for one, do not think the RCC is
any further from the truth of God in Christ than what I have read of
several on this forum or what I see in the Christian denominational
world. Catholics are Christians.
jd
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Yes you are. That denomination did not come from the
Portestant response to RCC theology.
DAVEH: OK....help me out, Bishop. I must be missing something.
WIKI......
Originally, "protestant" meant "to be a witness for something"
rather than "to be against something", as the current popular
interpretation of the word seems to imply. The prefix pro means "for"
in Latin. The Latin adjective protestans refers to "a person who gives
public testimony for something or who proves or demonstrates something"
........suggests the term Protestant can infer more than simply
protesting the RCC, which is the common popular understanding. WIKI
further discusses the Protestant denominations.....
The largest division in many classific ation schemes is between
the families of Eastern and West
ern Christianity. After these two larger families come distinct
branches of Christianity. Most classification schemes list six (in
order of size: Catholicism, Protestantism, Eastern Orthodoxy,
Anglicanism, Oriental Orthodoxy, and Assyrians). Others may include
Restorationism as a seventh, but classically this is included among
Protestant movements. After these branches comes denominational
families. In some traditions, these families are precisely defined
(such as the autocephalous churches in both Orthodox branches), in
others, they may be loose ideological groups with overlap (this is
especially the case in Protestantism, which includes Anabaptists,
Adventists, Baptists, Congregationalists, Pentecostals,
Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Reformed churches, and possibly
others, depending on who is organizing the scheme. From there come
denominations, which in the West, have complete independence to
establish doctrine (for instance, natio nal churches in the Anglican
Communion or the Lutheran Ch
urch-Missouri Synod in Lutheranism). At this point, the scheme becomes
more difficult to apply to the Eastern churches and Catholic faiths,
due to their top-down hierarchical structures. More precise units after
denominations include kinds of regional councils and individual
congregations and church bodies.
........and......
Unlike the other branches (Catholicism, Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy,
the Assyrians, and Anglicans), Protestantism is a general movement that
has no internal governing structure. As such, diverse groups such as
Presbyterians, Reformed churches, Lutherans, Methodists,
Congregationalists, Anabaptists, Baptists, Adventists, Pentecostals, and even possibly Restorationists
(depending on one's classification scheme) are all a part of the same
family.
........it seems that Pentecostals are loosely defined as a Protestant
denomination. I understood that 4Sq was a branch of Pentecostalism.
If bot h those assumptions are correct, then how/why do you beli
eve you are not part of them? Now I should say that I made the
assumption that you are rooted in the 4Sq due to your discussion with
DavidM. Perhaps I'm wrong about that. Please correct me if you do not
ally yourself with the 4Sq folks.
I see "protestant" as clubhouse name for those who are
apostate. That is how I believe the term is used. I have seen posts
from Mormon to Mormon that gives me this opinion.
DAVEH: I've never used that way.. Nor have I heard LDS folks
discussing it in that sense. I have always given the term respect, and
have noted such by capitalizing it in all my posts. (Note....Not all
TTers have returned the courtesy.....I thank you for capitalizing Mormon,
Pastor!)
However.....I have noted that you do not seem to have the same
respect for Protestant that you have afforded Mormon.
Below, you have said......
< B>I am not a protestant, in any event.
....
....Is that simply a typo, or did you intend on denigrating
Protestantism by not capitalizing it?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes you are. That denomination did not come from the
Portestant response to RCC theology.
I am not a protestant, in any event. One of
our daughters is RCC and full of faith. My degree came from a
Catholic University and I have a deeply felt consideation for the
Catholic historian. You should check out some of their websites.
Just punch in "Church fathers" and you will find yourself in the midst
of a number of Catholic sites dealing with the subject.
I see "protestant" as clubhouse name for those who are
apostate. That is how I believe the term is used. I have seen posts
from Mormon to Mormon that gives me this opinion.
jd
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It is the perfect ad hom ................. defensible and
accusatory at the same time.
DAVEH: LOL......You guys slay me. If I had used the term, Liberal
Protestants, you might have a reasonable chance of having a valid
argument. But to hear you guys recoil from being thought of as a
Protestant is almost as silly as Democrats cringing at being labeled
Liberal. :-)
Just what is it that you think I'm accusing Protestants as being
that you don't like, Bishop? I assume you are a Protestant, aren't
you, John? If I remember correctly, you are a 4Sq adherent, which as I
understand it is a branch of Protestantism.&nb
sp; Am I wrong in assuming such?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If truth be told, info from the hearing of flies on the
wall would reveal that "protestant" is a word used by the Mormon
faithful as they speak with contempt of the opposing hordes. The
public use of the word is one thing -- the private use is another. It
is the perfect ad hom ................. defensible and accusatory at
the same time. Would you agree?
jd
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Pastor,
what do you think DaveH means by this word "Protestants"?
the Mormon rhetoric
"Protestants"
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