Thank you David for this.
> [Original Message] > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 2/11/2006 9:37:40 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fem. God- Dave H. get bathing suit. > > Lance wrote: > > And do you not know that you are an Eve? > > The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives > > in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. > > You are the devils gateway: you are the unsealer > > of that tree: you are the first deserter of the divine > > law: you are she who persuaded him whom the > > devil was not valiant enough to attack. You > > destroyed so easily Gods image, man. On account > > of your desert that is, death even the Son of God > > had to die. ~ Tertullian, Second Century > > The context of this is from a paragraph about modesty in apparel becoming to > women. The quote stops short in that some sentences later, he concludes > this train of thought by saying: > "Accordingly these things are all the baggage of woman in her condemned and > dead state, instituted as if to swell the pomp of her funeral." > > So he was not denigrating women here. He was establishing some historical > guidelines, expounding upon the judgment of God toward the woman which said, > "In pains and in anxieties dost thou bear (children), woman; and toward > thine husband (is) thy inclination, and he lords It over thee. Tertullian > quoted this passage just before the quote given by Debbie above. Tertullian > then goes on, based upon the writings of Enoch (which he holds to be > Scripture but recognizes that the Jews did not because they did not think > such writings could survive the flood, but Tertullian believed Noah, Enoch's > great grandson, to have taken it with him in the ark), to argue that women > who wear mascara and jewelry and fine ornaments were taught this by the > angels that had sinned and come down and married women. He points out that > these same angels are the angels that we will judge, and if we will judge > them, what is it that women have to do with these things they brought to us, > being consumed with putting on makeup on their face, or coloring their hair, > or wearing fine jewelry. He points out that these are things of the earth > and nothing that women of God ought to be concerned with. Then he points > out that the promise of judging these angels also is given to women; > therefore, they ought not be involved with these things that were > dishonoring to the Creator. Tertullian writes: > > "For you too, (women as you are,) have the selfsame angelic nature promised > as your reward, the selfsame sex as men: the selfsame advancement to the > dignity of judging, does (the Lord) promise you." > > Such a statement is along the lines of there being no male or female in the > eyes of God. It is an empowering statement, that women will be made judges > of angels on an equal level with men, so the quote taken out of context to > make Tertullian look like a woman basher is erroneous. Debbie would be wise > to hear the end of his conversation. > > David Miller. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
