Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers

[knpraise]

David, why don't you practice what you preach  :-)    Give us an example when you spoke directly to you , demanding that others must sit up and listen.   I have listened to church prophets for years and years  --  their message is always quite general in content  ...................   "I am the Lord God and I find pleasure in you"  or something just the opposite.  Few details.  On occasion, the message has been specific and critical..  When that happens , the next weekend the prophet is  worshipping in a Methodist church or anywhere but the chruch receiving the prophecy.  And, of course,  prophecy always sounds like an English translation of the Bible.  Why, I do not know  --------------   but such is a sure sign that it is not from God. 

 

Looking back over this post,  I realize that I should have said "Give us an example when God spoke directly to you  ..........................."  but maybe my mistake is closer to the truth!!  How ARE we supposed to know the difference, David? 

 

 

jd

 

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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Lance, you still do not hear me properly. People like me are involved in
> both hearing God and in the interpretative process. Such are not mutually
> exclusive activities. Please make a distinction between when someone speaks
> from their studies and the interpretative process and when someone speaks in
> the name of the Lord. You are trying to apply what I said about hearing
> from God to study and the interpretative process.
>
> David Miller.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
>
>
> You, DM, say 'I would never say...' Why, DM? You seem to be saying that you
> have not/are not/will not re: deception.Are you saying that no believer
> whatsoever (have/are/will not) or are you restricting that the impossibility
> of such applies only to you personally?
>
> As to the latter, may I suggest another possibility? Mishearing,
> misinterpreting, misreading, misapplication, are all possible. You spoke of
> some who've read you and thought you pompous. You also said that not one who
> had met you ever thought so. Well DM, did you poll them in order to
> determine their perception? Perhaps at least one person does. Thereafter
> they might so characterize you (wrongly,rightly) Perhaps the following is,
> at least to you, preposterous but, you may actually be pompous and think it
> not so.
>
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: February 16, 2006 09:03
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convin ce the gainsayers
>
>
> > Lance, I would never say "the Lord showed me" if he did not. We must be
> > careful not to use the Lord's name in vain. We should separate what we
> > are
> > thinking from what we have heard. I realize that many people do use the
> > Lord's name in vain this way, but such people are not to be trusted.
> >
> > Could it be possible for someone to be deceived and not actually be lying
> > with intent? Yes, but such a person should not be trusted either.
> > Imagine,
> > if you will, someone going around saying, "Lance told me this..." and
> > "Lance
> > told me that...," and you never said any such thing to them. You would
> > think the person was mentally ill. You would not trust such a person,
> > even
> > if you think the person sincerely thinks you spoke to them.
> >
> > David Miller.
> >
> > ----- Origi nal Message -----
> > From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
> >
> >
> > As to the second part of your post, DM:Wouldn't such an one only be a liar
> > if she knew she hadn't heard from God (i/i/r)? If she thought she had but,
> > had not then there is no lie but, deception on the part of the supposed
> > recipient. Therefore, if you, DM, say 'the Lord showed me........as to ...
> > passage'; you believe He did; He did not; then you are wrong & deceived.
> > Is
> > this even a possibility?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
> > Sent: February 16, 2006 08:42
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
> >
> >
> >>I certainly do not have the attitude of "please understand these passages
> >> exactly as I do." My perspective is more one of, "I see this aspect,
> >> what
> >> part do you see, how do they fit together, and what aspects can we
> >> dismiss
> >> as falsehood."
> >>
> >> As for the "illumined/inspired/revealed" understanding being wrong, this
> >> is
> >> impossible since God does not lie. Only if the person did not hear from
> >> God
> >> could such be true. So if the person says he heard from God, and he did
> >> not, then he is a liar and should not be trusted in anything. This does
> >> not
> >> mean that anything he says is false. It only means that such a person
> >> cannot be trusted on anything.
> >>
> >> David Mi ller
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:35 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
> >>
> >>
> >> B A L A N C E - Emphasis on which s y l l A b l e? Please understand
> >> these
> >> passages exactly as I do. Thereafter we'll be "harmonious' (Om mani
> >> padme
> >> hum)
> >>
> >> Q:Does God have more than one (1) understanding of anything?
> >> Q:IFF one's 'illumined/inspired/revealed' understanding of WHO JESUS IS
> >> is
> >> wrong then, ought we to trust that person's teaching on anything?
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "TruthTalk"
> >> Sent: February 16, 2006 07:19
> >> Subject: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
> >>
> >>
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>> I have been pondering your treatise concerning the role of Scripture to
> >>> transform lives. No doubt that is one role. But what about the use of
> >>> Scriptures to guard against error? Does it have that role in your mind?
> >>>
> >>> Following are two passages that I would like for you to explain their
> >>> meaning:
> >>>
> >>> 2 Timothy 3:16-17
> >>> (16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
> >>> doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
> >>> (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all
> >>> good
> >>> works.
> >>>
> >>> Titus 1:9-11
> >>> (9) Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may
> >>> be
> >>> able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
> >>> (10) For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially
> >>> they of the circumcision:
> >>> (11) Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching
> >>> things
> >>> which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
> >>>
> >>>>From my perspective, it tells me that Scripture should be used to rebuke
> >>>>and
> >>> correct others. It seems to me that some on the list, perhaps you
> >>> included,
> >>> despise this use, believing that it drives people away from God. Please
> >>> do
> >>> not think th at I am trying to proof text here. That is an often abused
> >>> allegation when passages are brought up. I am truly desiring to
> >>> understand
> >>> the message you hear being conveyed to you when you read these passages.
> >>> When I read them, they instruct me as a man of God to use the Scriptures
> >>> to
> >>> exhort and convince GAINSAYERS.
> >>>
> >>> There are other passages that could be considered as well, but here is
> >>> one
> >>> that seems to be consonant with the idea that disputes among us should
> >>> be
> >>> expected, not shunned as something indicative of a defect in us.
> >>>
> >>> 1 Corinthians 11:18-19
> >>> (18) For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that
> >>> there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
> >> ;> (19) For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are
> >>> approved
> >>> may be made manifest among you.
> >>>
> >>> David Miller.
> >>>
> >>> ----------
> >>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> >>> know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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> >> know
> >> how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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