Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers

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'prophetically challenged'?
                                               Beats being pathetically challenged

 

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From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> David:When Martin Scott prophesied in our store in November (remember that
> you asked if we had a site on which you could check it out?), there was NO
> DOUBT WHATSOEVER that the Lord was to have been speaking through him.
>
> You, David, seem to be speaking of an enabling via the Spirit as to WHAT
> SCRIPTURE MEANS in a given passage(s). Is this so?
>
> Once again your communique is somewhat baffling. Might you take another run
> at it for those of us who remain 'prophetically challenged'?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: February 17, 2006 10:26
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
>
>
> > Lance, you still do not hear me properly. People like me are involved in
> > both hearing God and in the interpretative process. Such are not mutually
> > exclusive activities. Please make a distinction between when someone
> > speaks
> > from their studies and the interpretative process and when someone speaks
> > in
> > the name of the Lord. You are trying to apply what I said about hearing
> > from God to study and the interpretative process.
> >
> > David Miller.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
> >
> >
> > You, DM, say 'I would never say...' Why, DM? You seem to be saying that
> > you
> > have not/are not/will not re: deception.Are yo u saying that no believer
> > whatsoever (have/are/will not) or are you restricting that the
> > impossibility
> > of such applies only to you personally?
> >
> > As to the latter, may I suggest another possibility? Mishearing,
> > misinterpreting, misreading, misapplication, are all possible. You spoke
> > of
> > some who've read you and thought you pompous. You also said that not one
> > who
> > had met you ever thought so. Well DM, did you poll them in order to
> > determine their perception? Perhaps at least one person does. Thereafter
> > they might so characterize you (wrongly,rightly) Perhaps the following is,
> > at least to you, preposterous but, you may actually be pompous and think
> > it
> > not so.
> >
> > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
> > Sent: February 16, 2006 09:03
> > Su bject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
> >
> >
> >> Lance, I would never say "the Lord showed me" if he did not. We must be
> >> careful not to use the Lord's name in vain. We should separate what we
> >> are
> >> thinking from what we have heard. I realize that many people do use the
> >> Lord's name in vain this way, but such people are not to be trusted.
> >>
> >> Could it be possible for someone to be deceived and not actually be lying
> >> with intent? Yes, but such a person should not be trusted either.
> >> Imagine,
> >> if you will, someone going around saying, "Lance told me this..." and
> >> "Lance
> >> told me that...," and you never said any such thing to them. You would
> >> think the person was mentally ill. You would not trust such a person,
> >> even
> >> if you think the p erson sincerely thinks you spoke to them.
> >>
> >> David Miller.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:54 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
> >>
> >>
> >> As to the second part of your post, DM:Wouldn't such an one only be a
> >> liar
> >> if she knew she hadn't heard from God (i/i/r)? If she thought she had
> >> but,
> >> had not then there is no lie but, deception on the part of the supposed
> >> recipient. Therefore, if you, DM, say 'the Lord showed me........as to
> >> ...
> >> passage'; you believe He did; He did not; then you are wrong & deceived.
> >> Is
> >> this even a possibility?
> & gt;>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: February 16, 2006 08:42
> >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
> >>
> >>
> >>>I certainly do not have the attitude of "please understand these passages
> >>> exactly as I do." My perspective is more one of, "I see this aspect,
> >>> what
> >>> part do you see, how do they fit together, and what aspects can we
> >>> dismiss
> >>> as falsehood."
> >>>
> >>> As for the "illumined/inspired/revealed" understanding being wrong, this
> >>> is
> >>> impossible since God does not lie. Only if the person did not hear from
> >>> God
> >>> could such be true. So if the person says he heard from God, and he did
> >>> not, then he is a liar and should not be trusted in anything. This does
> >>> not
> >>> mean that anything he says is false. It only means that such a person
> >>> cannot be trusted on anything.
> >>>
> >>> David Miller
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:35 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> B A L A N C E - Emphasis on which s y l l A b l e? Please understand
> >>> these
> >>> passages exactly as I do. Thereafter we'll be "harmonious' (Om mani
> >>> padme
> >>> hum)
> >>>
> >>> Q:Does God have more than one (1) understanding of anything?
> >>> Q:IFF one's 'illumined/inspired/revealed' understanding of WHO JESUS IS
> >>> is
> >>> wrong then, ought we to trust that person's teaching on anything?
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: "TruthTalk"
> >>> Sent: February 16, 2006 07:19
> >>> Subject: [TruthTalk] The use of Scripture to convince the gainsayers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have been pondering your treatise concerning the role of Scripture to
> >>>> transform lives. No doubt that is one role. But what about the use of
> >>>> Scriptures to guard against error? Does it have that role in your
> >>>> mind?
> >>> >
> >>>> Following are two passages that I would like for you to explain their
> >>>> meaning:
> >>>>
> >>>> 2 Timothy 3:16-17
> >>>> (16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
> >>>> for
> >>>> doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
> >>>> righteousness:
> >>>> (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all
> >>>> good
> >>>> works.
> >>>>
> >>>> Titus 1:9-11
> >>>> (9) Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may
> >>>> be
> >>>> able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
> >>>> (10) For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers,
> >>>> specially
> >>&g t;> they of the circumcision:
> >>>> (11) Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching
> >>>> things
> >>>> which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
> >>>>
> >>>>>From my perspective, it tells me that Scripture should be used to
> >>>>>rebuke
> >>>>>and
> >>>> correct others. It seems to me that some on the list, perhaps you
> >>>> included,
> >>>> despise this use, believing that it drives people away from God.
> >>>> Please
> >>>> do
> >>>> not think that I am trying to proof text here That is an often abused
> >>>> allegation when passages are brought up. I am truly desiring to
> >>>> understand
> >>>> the message you hear being conveyed to you when you read these
> >>>> pas sages.
> >>>> When I read them, they instruct me as a man of God to use the
> >>>> Scriptures
> >>>> to
> >>>> exhort and convince GAINSAYERS.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are other passages that could be considered as well, but here is
> >>>> one
> >>>> that seems to be consonant with the idea that disputes among us should
> >>>> be
> >>>> expected, not shunned as something indicative of a defect in us.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1 Corinthians 11:18-19
> >>>> (18) For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that
> >>>> there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
> >>>> (19) For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are
> >>>> approved
> >>>> may be made manifest among you.
> >> >>
> >>>> David Miller.
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------
> >>>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> >>>> know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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> >>>
> >>> ----------
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> >>> know
> >>> how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4: 6)
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