----- Original Message -----
Sent: February 26, 2006 08:46
Subject: [TruthTalk] Continuing
repentance
Well Lance, you have taken up an offence for the so
called "church fathers" where IMO the Church has just one
Father and only one
Lord. I know Paul the apostle referred to himself as a spiritual father
to some but these are
people he
had ministered to in person. I am happy to let those who have gone
before RIP. We have the same
Word that was "once"
delivered to the saints and the same Spirit who inspired the
prophets teaching and leading
us - so that we lack nothing. Concerning "conclusions" Lance. You come to quite a few of them
concerning this
Nation and Government
yourself. Have you considered that this may also circumvent genuine
dialogue also?
As to the former, "conformed to the image of
Christ", yes. As to the latter "cages", no.
As I see it, Judy/Dean and others, what
underlies the INSULTS (take note Dean) being levelled at: the church
fathers, Augustine, Calvin, Luther, Barth, Torrance, Polanyi, Joseph Smith,
Dake... (please insert in your favourite 'bad person' here) is a
conclusion. I don't feel the need to identify that conclusion.These
conclusions are attempt circumventing genuine dialogue.In some/many cases
there exists no wish to 'dialogue' whatsoever'.
Are Dean and I to
believe Lance that you perceive these two men to be "conformed to the
image
of Christ" in their generation? I had never
heard of the "oversize bird cages" do you know about this
Lance?
Dean:Am I (are we) to understand that you
and Judy have now 'dismissed' THE TWO MAJOR REFORMERS at that time
in history? Do either of you perceive Luther/Calvin as
UNbelievers?
I think there is a big
difference. Luther was a bit rude and crude and he went from
crawling up St. Peters Basillica on his knees and flagellating himself
in penance to going wild with "where sin abounds grace doth much
more abound" and running off with that. So in his case the pendulum
swung as far as it could in the opposite direction. Also
he
never got completely free from the RC taint in his attitude toward the
Jews which was not one of love and longsuffering by any means. One can
see the influence of Augustine there - Luther wanted them hunted down
and killed.
cd: Judy did
you know that M.Luther had Street Preachers put in oversize bird
cages and hung up in the church even on Sunday morning while he
and his followers worshiped God. Amazes me that some people quote
hin as an enerest speaker for God. In the entire Bible who was
persecuted- the Christians or the pagans? When have Christians
done such acts? Concern the moderation of religion-here is what
the Bible says:
Jud 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence
to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me
to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly
contend for the faith which was
once
delivered unto
the saints.
In the above I see no room for
modernizing (ie.alter/changing)the gospel to comform to modern
belief of righ or wrong.To do so is a great
mistake.
