Title: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance
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This may be your opinion Lance and you may hold them to
that - but God says that they either have a
HEART to perceive - eyes to see, ears to hear or they
don't. If they do the Lord is the one who has given
this to them. He is not mocked and he either
opens or closes the understanding.... nothing by chance...
I see EVER BELIEVER AS HOLDING PART TRUTH AND
PART ERROR.
Thank you Dean, I see this also and can not for the
life of me understand why some hold these men in such
reverence. Luther once complained about the
"pagan wretch" Aristotle whose words ppl were paying more
attention to than the Words of Christ.
He (Luther) said that God had made him a curse to them because of
their sin. Could
the same be true today in our generation?? Idolatry is idolatry in any
generation.
"Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to
perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day"
(Deut 29:4)
cd: I see then as holding part
truth and part error. Their fruits shows them to be more harmful then
helpful. What did these two reform the world to Truth or error?I see error
in the magnitude of the error of the RCC-which is evident of their
praying to Mary as intercessor. Consider this- the truth has always
existed but these guys step into the place of truth and prevent the
existing truth from spreading with their teachings. The world will always
receive error before truth. This is of course derived from my
understanding of the actions of these two men
mentioned.
Dean:Am I (are we) to understand that you
and Judy have now 'dismissed' THE TWO MAJOR REFORMERS at that time
in history? Do either of you perceive Luther/Calvin as
UNbelievers?
I
think there is a big difference. Luther was a bit rude and crude
and he went from crawling up St. Peters Basillica on his knees and
flagellating himself in penance to going wild with "where sin
abounds grace doth much more abound" and running off with that. So in
his case the pendulum swung as far as it could in the opposite
direction. Also he never got completely free from the RC taint in his
attitude toward the Jews which was not one of love and longsuffering by
any means. One can see the influence of Augustine there - Luther wanted
them hunted down and killed.
cd: Judy did
you know that M.Luther had Street Preachers put in oversize bird
cages and hung up in the church even on Sunday morning while he
and his followers worshiped God. Amazes me that some people quote
hin as an enerest speaker for God. In the entire Bible who was
persecuted- the Christians or the pagans? When have Christians
done such acts? Concern the moderation of religion-here is what
the Bible says:
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence
to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me
to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly
contend for the faith which was
once
delivered unto
the saints.
In the above I see no room for
modernizing (ie.alter/changing)the gospel to comform to modern
belief of righ or wrong.To do so is a great
mistake.
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