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Who? the church fathers, Augustine,
Calvin, Luther, Barth, Torrance, Polanyi, Joseph Smith, Dake... (please
insert
in your favourite 'bad person'
here)? I don't borrow trouble Lance, so I leave judging their persons to
the one who judges
righteously. As for their writings - I
spend about as much time and effort meditating upon them as you do with
the
policies of George W. They, like him
are mere men.
As to the latter Judy, I have and, it
does. Would you be so kind as to answer, giving your own opinions,
concerning the aforementioned persons?
Well Lance, you have taken up an offence for the so
called "church fathers" where IMO the Church has just one
Father and only one
Lord. I know Paul the apostle referred to himself as a spiritual
father to some but these are
people he
had ministered to in person. I am happy to let those who have
gone before RIP. We have the same
Word that was "once"
delivered to the saints and the same Spirit who inspired the
prophets teaching and leading us - so that
we lack nothing. Concerning "conclusions"
Lance. You come to quite a few of them concerning this Nation and Government
yourself. Have you considered that this may also circumvent genuine
dialogue also?
As to the former, "conformed to the image of
Christ", yes. As to the latter "cages", no.
As I see it, Judy/Dean and others, what
underlies the INSULTS (take note Dean) being levelled at: the church
fathers, Augustine, Calvin, Luther, Barth, Torrance, Polanyi, Joseph
Smith, Dake... (please insert in your favourite 'bad person' here) is
a conclusion. I don't feel the need to identify that conclusion.These
conclusions are attempt circumventing genuine dialogue.In some/many cases
there exists no wish to 'dialogue' whatsoever'.
Are Dean and I
to believe Lance that you perceive these two men to be "conformed to the
image
of Christ" in their generation? I had
never heard of the "oversize bird cages" do you know about this
Lance?
Dean:Am I (are we) to understand that you
and Judy have now 'dismissed' THE TWO MAJOR REFORMERS at that
time in history? Do either of you perceive Luther/Calvin as
UNbelievers?
I think there is a big
difference. Luther was a bit rude and crude and he went from
crawling up St. Peters Basillica on his knees and flagellating
himself in penance to going wild with "where sin abounds grace
doth much more abound" and running off with that. So in his case the
pendulum swung as far as it could in the opposite direction. Also
he
never got completely free from the RC taint in his attitude toward
the Jews which was not one of love and longsuffering by any means.
One can see the influence of Augustine there - Luther wanted them
hunted down and killed.
cd: Judy
did you know that M.Luther had Street Preachers put in oversize
bird cages and hung up in the church even on Sunday morning
while he and his followers worshiped God. Amazes me that some
people quote hin as an enerest speaker for God. In the entire
Bible who was persecuted- the Christians or the pagans? When
have Christians done such acts? Concern the moderation of
religion-here is what the Bible
says:
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all
diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was
needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should
earnestly contend for the faith which was
once
delivered unto
the saints.
In the above I see no room
for modernizing (ie.alter/changing)the gospel to comform to
modern belief of righ or wrong.To do so is a great
mistake.
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