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Sent: February 26, 2006 09:20
Subject: [TruthTalk] Continuing
repentance
Thank you Dean, I see this also and can not for the
life of me understand why some hold these men in such
reverence. Luther once complained about the
"pagan wretch" Aristotle whose words ppl were paying more
attention to than the Words of Christ. He
(Luther) said that God had made him a curse to them because of
their sin. Could the
same be true today in our generation?? Idolatry is idolatry in any
generation.
"Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to
perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day"
(Deut 29:4)
cd: I see then as holding part
truth and part error. Their fruits shows them to be more harmful then
helpful. What did these two reform the world to Truth or error?I see error
in the magnitude of the error of the RCC-which is evident of their
praying to Mary as intercessor. Consider this- the truth has always existed
but these guys step into the place of truth and prevent the existing truth
from spreading with their teachings. The world will always receive error
before truth. This is of course derived from my understanding of the actions
of these two men mentioned.
Dean:Am I (are we) to understand that you and
Judy have now 'dismissed' THE TWO MAJOR REFORMERS at that time in
history? Do either of you perceive Luther/Calvin as
UNbelievers?
I
think there is a big difference. Luther was a bit rude and crude and
he went from crawling up St. Peters Basillica on his knees and
flagellating himself in penance to going wild with "where sin abounds
grace doth much more abound" and running off with that. So in his case the
pendulum swung as far as it could in the opposite direction. Also
he never
got completely free from the RC taint in his attitude toward the Jews
which was not one of love and longsuffering by any means. One can see the
influence of Augustine there - Luther wanted them hunted down
and killed.
cd: Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street
Preachers put in oversize bird cages and hung up in the church even
on Sunday morning while he and his followers worshiped God. Amazes
me that some people quote hin as an enerest speaker for God. In the
entire Bible who was persecuted- the Christians or the pagans? When
have Christians done such acts? Concern the moderation of
religion-here is what the Bible says:
Jud 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to
write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to
write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend
for the faith which was once delivered unto the
saints.
In the above I see no room for
modernizing (ie.alter/changing)the gospel to comform to modern
belief of righ or wrong.To do so is a great
mistake.
