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One can only be appreciative of the contribution
made by yourself and David Miller as to my point of longstanding concerning
'illumination/interpretation'. You both lay claim to a nonexistent promise and,
thereafter exhibit the opposite in your writing.
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Sent: March 18, 2006 08:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.
Election rather than "justification" is the subject
here JD; why do you seek to change it?
And why is it that you and Lance can not accept
the obvious
The Scots Confession
Written by John Knox and five other "Johns" (Willock,
Winram, Spottiswood, Row and Douglas), in 1560, at the conclusion of the
Scottish civil war in response to medieval catholicism and at the behest of
the Scottish Parliament in five days. Its central doctrines are those
of election and the Church. It was approved by the Reformation
Parliament and Church of Scotland, attaining full legal status with the
departure of Mary, Queen of Scots in 1567.
Yes, and the importance of this conclusion -- It is
Justification by Grace alone that guards the Gospel from corruption by
"Evangel icals," "Liberals," and Romans alike. ---- is lost to
those who think that their think don't stink.
jd
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From: "Lance Muir"
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You are quite correct as to your TFT
observations, JD. Judy brings to her reading of TFT a bias that will not
permit an equitable treatment of that which is there in the text of his
article.
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Sent: March 18, 2006 07:53
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
torrance.
As far as I know, Torrance believed that salvation was offered to
all -- not a Calvinist opinion, my dear. And you
are much more the Calvinist that he.
His comments below gives us a consistent explanation of the
biblical notion that man is justified apart from obedience to the
law. It beats a redactive explanation of same !! that's for
sure.
jd
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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
He also says this:
But the Scots Confession laid the axe to the root of any such
movement when it insisted that we have to spoil
ourselves even of our own regeneration and sanctification as well as
justification. What is "axed" so radically was the notion of
"co-redemption" which in our day has again become so rampant, not only
in the Roman Church, but in Liberal and Evangelical Protestantism,
e.g., the emphasis upon
existential decision as the means
whereby we "make real" for ourselves the kerygma [proclamation] of the
New Testament, which means that in the last resort our salvation
depends upon our own personal or existential decision. That is the exact antithesis of the
Reformed doctrine of election, which rests salvation upon the prior
and objective decision of God in Christ. It is Justification by Grace alone that guards the
Gospel from corruption by "Evangel icals," "Liberals," and Romans
alike.
So Torrance is also a
Calvinist at heart who is resting in Calvin's "doctrine of election"
in spite of all the big theological words and high talk...
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 04:43:32 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
In the recent article posted by Lance from Torrance, the
theologican says this:
"Nowhere is this more apparent than in the case of the popular
minister where everything centers on him, and the whole life of the
congregation is built round him. What is that but Protestant
sacerdotalism, sacerdotalism which involves the displacement of the
Humanity of Christ by the humanity of the minister, and the
obscuring of the Person of Christ by the personality of the
minister?"
amen. We have here a well worded warning to the mega
church industry that the Christ, His very person, just
might be lost to a pattern of worship that denies opportunities for
authenticity and spontaneous participation by the attendee. It can be
argued that such 'worship services" fly in the face of such
passages as Eph 5:18,19. There is a bonding and a
closeness that takes place in a small group that is not possible in
the mega assemblies.
jd
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