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Judy:Why indeed! Because he knew the works of Knox
thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin thoroughly as he was editor of the
22 volumes of Calvin's NT commentaries. Like all of redeemed humanity Judy, some
of what persons say is worthwhile.
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Sent: March 18, 2006 09:00
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] torrance.
Why does he clearly quote from what he does not
hold to then Lance?
Wouldn't you call this being doubleminded? His
doctrine is "Reformed" Calvinistic - same thing
I LITERALLY cleaned my glasses, Judy. I took
your interpretation to heart and, you are wrong vis a vis TFT's take on
'election'. I do see how you came to the conclusion you did, however.
Do you understand what you are reading yourself
Lance?
The statement below "Reformed doctrine of
election" is Calvinistic
John Knox who ppl say converted Scotland was
Presbyterian (Calvinistic)
Who pray tell wrote what Torrance calls the
"Scots Confession?"
Also "unprofitable servants" don't make it ...
only the good and "faithful" ones
Clean your eyeglasses Lance and try
again
This is powerfully driven home by the Scots
Confession in several articles, such as the twelfth and the
fifteenth. All
that we do is unworthy, so that we must fall down before you and
unfeignedly confess that we are unprofitable
servantsand it is precisely
Justification by the free Grace of Christ alone that shows us that
all that we are and have done even as
believers is called in question.
You are quite correct as to your TFT
observations, JD. Judy brings to her reading of TFT a bias that will not
permit an equitable treatment of that which is there in the text of his
article.
That is the exact antithesis of the Reformed
doctrine of election, which rests salvation upon the prior and objective
decision of God in Christ
As far as I know, Torrance believed that salvation was offered to
all -- not a Calvinist opinion, my dear. And
you are much more the Calvinist that he.
His comments below gives us a consistent explanation of the
biblical notion that man is justified apart from obedience to the
law. It beats a redactive explanation of same !! that's
for sure.
jd
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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
He also says this:
But the Scots Confession laid the axe to the root of any such
movement when it insisted that we have to spoil
ourselves even of our own regeneration and sanctification as well as
justification. What is "axed" so radically was the notion of
"co-redemption" which in our day has again become so rampant, not
only in the Roman Church, but in Liberal and Evangelical
Protestantism, e.g.,
the emphasis upon existential decision as the means whereby we "make real" for
ourselves the kerygma [proclamation] of the New Testament, which
means that in the last resort our salvation depends upon our own
personal or existential decision. That is the exact antithesis of the Reformed doctrine
of election, which rests salvation upon the prior and objective
decision of God in Christ. It is
Justification by Grace alone that guards the Gospel from corruption
by "Evangel icals," "Liberals," and Romans alike.
So Torrance is also a
Calvinist at heart who is resting in Calvin's "doctrine of election"
in spite of all the big theological words and high
talk...
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 04:43:32 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
In the recent article posted by Lance from Torrance, the
theologican says this:
"Nowhere is this more apparent than in the case of the popular
minister where everything centers on him, and the whole life of
the congregation is built round him. What is that but
Protestant sacerdotalism, sacerdotalism which involves the
displacement of the Humanity of Christ by the humanity of the
minister, and the obscuring of the Person of Christ by the
personality of the minister?"
amen. We have here a well worded warning to the
mega church industry that the Christ, His very person,
just might be lost to a pattern of worship that denies
opportunities for authenticity and spontaneous
participation by the attendee. It can be argued that such
'worship services" fly in the face of such passages as Eph
5:18,19. There is a bonding and a closeness that takes
place in a small group that is not possible in the mega
assemblies.
jd
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