on 6/18/01 12:34 PM, "Kasper Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yeah but it was before openoffice, netbeans, tomcat, jxta, brazil and others.
>
> - Kasper
Unless something changed recently, Brazil is not OSS either.
The other 4+ were done mostly by CollabNet...the company I work for. We have
spent quite a lot of time trying to teach Sun the value of OSS. Some people
"get it" and others take a lot more prodding. If people are buying your $71k
OR tool, then making the case to OSS it is very difficult if it is going to
impact that revenue. Like I said, Tomcat was a years worth of private
discussions and in person meetings.
<side note>
I had an interesting conversation with a woman from Oracle at JavaOne. She
got so upset with my suggestion that they OSS more code and/or use Tomcat as
the basis of their servlet container that she literally walked away from me
mid conversation. It was really quite humorous. She couldn't understand why
people would buy Oracle's servlet container (if it was based on top of
Tomcat) if there was an open source implementation of the same thing.
Later on, Geir (who was standing there listening) reminded me that JServ (a
product that I helped write) was the basis for their first servlet
container. I totally forgot to make that point to her. :-) I felt so stupid.
:-)
</side note>
Anyway, the point of my story is that even though Sun has come a long way
with regards to OSS, they still have a very long way to go. Reality is that
a good part of this is influenced by their rapidly dropping stock price and
focus on making money as well as their constant need to compete with M$.
thanks,
-jon
--
"Open source is not available to commercial companies."
-Steve Ballmer, CEO Microsoft
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