I agree with Quinton. Another thing that would be nice to have is a HOW-TO about having a basic Tomcat distribution configured so it could become something like the TDK. That way, new users could both learn how to do it themselves and select which components of the Turbine arquitecture would like to have installed (Ex. I don't use Torque, so it would be nice if I could just create my TDK without it).
Rodrigo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quinton McCombs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Turbine Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [RFC] We need a new TDK > Personally, I don't like the TDK. I don't think that we should have one > either. > > I started off using the TDK. I will admit that it was easy to get > started that way. The problem is that I never learned how it was > working until I finally threw it away and started over without the TDK. > It was only then that I learned what all of the settings were in the > various property files. > > Granted, I was using the TDK in 2.1. When I moved to 2.2, I stopped > using the TDK. That could have had a great deal to do with my problems > concerning the TDK. > > I would rather see one or two sample apps that are ready to be built > with Maven replace the TDK. One should use JSP. The other should use > Velocity. I think this would be much more helpful to new users. > > > > -------------------------------------------- > Quinton McCombs > NequalsOne - HealthCare marketing tools > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.NequalsOne.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Age Mooy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:26 AM > > To: 'Turbine Users List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [RFC] We need a new TDK > > > > > > > > What about implementing this as a maven plugin ? > > > > I have also been thinking about doing something like this, > > but I simply can't spare the time. I do volunteer to help > > with the testing and contribute patches and enhancements though. > > > > Age > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > due to many mails on this list, I think most of us agree that > > > Turbine definitely needs a new and improved TDK. > > > > > > Cornerstones of this are: > > > > > > Must have: > > > - Thoroughly tested on *ix and Win32 > > > - Thoroughly tested with JDK 1.3.1 and 1.4.1 > > > - Using Turbine 2.2 with easy upgrading to 2.3 > > > - Stable level of jars to avoid frustration with beginners > > > - Preconfigured Servlet container to get to speed quickly > > > - Well documented set of property files for Turbine and Torque. > > > - Documentation on how to use the TDK. > > > > > > Should have: > > > - Use maven as the build tool for all the tdk tasks. Include > > > a preconfigured, > > > working and stable maven installation. > > > - Include a simple "one file, one jar" database for quick > > testing and > > > examples for moving to other popular databases. > > > > > > Nice to have: > > > - Alternatively: Use ant as build tools for beginner that are > > > unfamiliar > > > to maven > > > - Include a fully documented demo application which shows > > > "best practice" > > > development with Turbine > > > - Include a security configuration application which allows > > > easy configuration > > > of security objects like users, groups, roles and permissions > > > - A SQL client to access the various databases > > > > > > > > > All of the Turbine developers know about these problems. But > > > unfortunately the most seasoned developers who are able to > > > fix these problems don't use the current TDK or don't feel a > > > personal need to continue with the current TDK. Or have moved > > > on to greener fields and left the Turbine/TDK development > > altogether. > > > > > > The main problem in developing such a NewTDK is time. I'd be > > > willing to do this (It would fit well with another project > > > that I might start shortly and I do have a small Turbine > > > skeleton hammered out but it needs some external installed > > > tools to work and is quite specific to my linux based > > > development environment) but I'd need either a sponsor or a > > > company willing to found the development of such an environment. > > > > > > If anyone of you knows an organization or company which wants > > > to sponsor the development of a new TDK, just contact me directly. > > > > > > Regards > > > Henning > > > > > > -- > > > Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. 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