on 8/27/2000 1:02 AM, "Justin Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jon, for some reason you seem to actually hate me. I have no idea why,
> but whatever your issue with me is appears to go far beyond simple
> licensing issues.
I don't hate you. I hate the fact that I wasted 5 months of my time with
you.
> It's dumb to have two Apache licensed projects that do the same thing.
No. There is a major difference between them. One is distributed from
Apache.org and one is not.
> There's no doubt we can go on and compete for users over the next few
> years, but it'll be really dumb. We'll be able to use some of each
> others code, but as our designs deviate, not a lot.
There isn't any competition. WM will die eventually. You will get tired of
constantly trying to compete with Velocity which will continue to gain
market share because it is hosted on Apache.org.
> We have a chance right now to fix this. I've pretty much said I'm
> open do doing whatever it takes to fix it.
>
> Here are my needs:
>
> -- There has to be a verson of WM that supports all of the
> interfaces that WM has now. It has to be mature, stable,
> reliable, and based on the existing code base.
Great. Go put your code up on sourceforge and we will take the bits and
pieces of it that we need and put them into Velocity.
> That's it. You, the ASF, and the two lists can decide the rest. I
> feel responsible for the people using WebMacro and I want to make
> sure that whatever happens they are supported in what they are
> doing right now. Not some day. Today.
I already decided and I keep telling you this over and over. Velocity will
continue as is.
> Pretty open ended offer. I find it hard to see how you can reject
> it, unless you are operating out of your feelings towards me rather
> than what is good for the community.
Dude...just cause the code is under an ASF license doesn't suddenly make it
worthwhile to drop Velocity. Velocity is a much better code base and will
only get better once we integrate the good parts from WM.
> The community comes first.
It sure does. Velocity is an excellent solution for the community.
> Is the ASF about raiding other open source software projects and
> attempting to undermine the hard working users who depend on them?
> Or is it about strengthening the community?
Give me a break dude. What you are saying is stupid. I don't represent the
ASF and I have told you that a bazillion times now.
I gave you five months to come up with a workable solution and you gave me
no other choice. What else was I supposed to do? Continue begging you to
make an intelligent decision? This is larger than just you and
me...again...it is the community that matters here.
> The fastest way to get a mature, scalable, robust, proven template
> engine into the ASF's tree is to adopt WebMacro. Not doing that will
> leave me competing with you, which is stupid. You may think there
> will be a winner, but there will only be losers.
Yes, we will integrate the good portions of WM into Velocity.
> Most of all, the "working dog" programmers you love so much will
> suffer by the wasted duplication of effort, confusion, and infighting
> in the community they'd like to be a part of.
No. working-dog engineers will create a better solution.
> The ASF has a decision to make: is it a destructive or a constructive
> organization? And is it in favour of, or against, collaboration?
No, not the ASF, the community. No one represents the ASF except the board
(of which I'm not a member).
-jon
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