We can't do it alone. We need help! But I am takeing your advice to heart, it's just that my time has become very limited, and I can't do it alone ;) --Mark Ramm
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Derick Eisenhardt < [email protected]> wrote: > > So, TG2 finally has a stable release. However, it's release has sadly > come out to little fan fare as far as most of the web is concerned. > I'm worried by the current state of advertising/marketing and > documentation, that what there is available currently has very little > appeal to the majority of web developers out there. For TG2 to make > any real traction it's going to have to appear to be the best of breed > web development environments. As far as I can tell the only folks > currently interested are those of us who have previously been using > TG1, are hard core python fans, or are already sold on the idea of > distributed/modular development (WSGI). That unfortunately leaves > Turbogears with a somewhat niche audience. > > Django grew it's user base by advertising to people that it was "the > best, easiest to learn and use web development platform" and "better > than Ruby on Rails." Their community seems to still be growing at > rapid rates, while I've seen hardly any difference in new users around > here since TG2 went final. At the end of the day, the average web > developer doesn't care what platform they're using, or how it > works...they just want the quickest and easiest method to get what > their site running and doing what they want. Currently, TG2 still has > a good bit of a learning curve. And I'm sorry to burst anyone's > bubbles, but we DO NOT in any way shape or form have "the best > documented web development platform." And until it's retardedly easy > for someone who has never programmed in Python, barely ever used the > MVC model before, and knows nothing of command lines to jump in and > make their first TG site in less than an hour, it's going to remain a > niche audience. > > Beyond that our site is a bit of a joke currently. We're not even self > hosting as far as I can tell. Now I know there's > http://beta.turbogears.org > out there, and I know folks are working on the Pages CMS. But we > really should have had all that up before 2.0 went final. It's truely > amazing how much a person will judge you're product simply on the the > looks of your website alone, especially when the product is a web > development platform. > > Furthermore, ToscaWidgets is dead in the water as far as I can tell > and it's widget selection is sparse at best. It is absolutely > imperative that TG have a full-featured widget toolkit built-in by > default and it be just as well documented as any other aspect of the > platform. TG1 had fairly good integration with MochiKit, but TG2's > current stance appears to be you can either use this basic Tosca stuff > someone threw together and then let stagnate for a year, or go out and > find a "real" widget library (jQuery, Dojo, etc), but you'll have to > figure out how to use it by yourself. And that is the exact opposite > of the position we should be portraying to new users...if people want > that situation, why not just use plain ol' Pylons? > > I hope I have not offended anyone here today, I'm just trying to tell > it like it is. I implore you to not spend so much time on adding new > features to 2.1 and focus on getting these core problems taken care of > first and foremost. Please please please make 2.1 all about polish. > I'd really love to talk to fellow developers and when I say I use > Turbogears, they don't respond with a "huh? what's that?" > > > -- Mark Ramm-Christensen email: mark at compoundthinking dot com blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TurboGears Trunk" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears-trunk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
