On 1/20/07, Karl Guertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 1/20/07, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Pylons and TurboGears are practically the same thing if you're using
> > SQLAlchemy, since none of the TG admin tools really do you any good in
> > that case.
>
> I know, but I'm comfortable with TG.

I was too... but I've never liked anything about CherryPy. Pylons
gives me all of the good things about TG (that worked with SQLAlchemy
anyway) and gets rid of the parts I didn't like. I am looking forward
to seeing what happens with the next major revision of TG, but as-is I
don't find TG compelling anymore now.

> > The internals to Pylons make more sense to me because it's based on
> > lighter weight stuff than CherryPy (paste and WSGI). It's also a
> > breeze to debug with EvalException.
>
> There's an option to enable EvalException debugging in TG by setting
> tg.fancy_exception = True, but the CSS was messed up last I checked.

Yeah, there's a big difference between what Pylons has and what TG
has. Pylons has some little additions to EvalException that make it
quite aesthetically pleasing and easy to use. I didn't have nearly the
same experience w/ the EvalException in TG.

> > if the TG admin tools were WSGI based then it could be interchangeable
> > just like the Buffet template plugins that both frameworks use now.
>
> I don't know how closely you've been following the planning, but the
> goal is to get TG split back up into reusable components. Alberto has
> started this with ToscaWidgets. I know a number of people expressed
> interest in developing the FastData module into an independent
> project. I'm interested in doing an admin-type project, but the docs
> for 1.0 need to be finished first.

I try and keep up with the list, but I haven't been paying very close
attention. Sounds like the right direction, though.

-bob

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