The race and ethnicity categories are set up by the Office of Management and Budget. As the OMB envisions it, Hispanics who aren't black, Asian or indigenous are supposed to describe themselves as white. "In fact, in 2000 and in 2010, the Some Other Race (SOR) population, which was intended to be a small residual category, was the third largest race group. This was primarily due to reporting by Hispanics, who make up the overwhelming majority of those classified as SOR, not identifying with any of the OMB race categories." https://www.census.gov/about/our-research/race-ethnicity.html
So they talk about doing a better job communicating to them. On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:53 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > Again, Hispanic is an ethnicity. It does not refer to language, > nationality, (though both of those have some relationship) SES or race. > Yes, it is true that for some people ethnic designation would not have > meaning, but that does not mean the designation is meaningless for most > people. For most of the people who identify as Hispanic in CA 44, the > designation is very meaningful. > > I don’t know how George Lopez identifies, but most Mexican Americans > identify as Hispanic, non-white.* That means their ethnicity is Hispanic > and their race is not white. I don’t know of any valid criteria that would > allow anyone to say that is an incorrect identification. > > All of this is relevant here because, in CA at least, Hispanics and Blacks > have a significant tendency to vote Democratic. Staci Dash will be running > as a Republican in a SoCal district that is more than 80% either Hispanic > or black. Obama has a better chance of being elected Governor of Utah than > Dash has of being elected Congresswomen in CA-44 > > * Even though Hispanic is an ethnicity, since such a large fraction of > Americans who identify as Hispanic also decline to identify a race (which > is included in the code “not white”), for most practical purposes Hispanic > gets treated as another racial category, parallel with white, Black, > Asian/Pacific Islander etc, and within certain tolerances that works. I > would prefer to eliminate racial categories all together and treat them all > as ethnicities, since I think that is what they are, and “race” invokes a > biological essentialism which is a holdover from the scientific racism of > the 19th century, but that is another matter. > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:48 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:56 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I don’t know that this is a true statement. As I said, Hispanic is an >>> ethnicity, white is a racial category. It is obviously possible for someone >>> to be both Hispanic and White. I do not think it is possible for a person >>> to be in error in identifying themselves as Hispanic but not white. >>> >> >> Maybe it's enough to say there is a big enough gray area to make the >> demographics meaningless. Take a grandchild of immigrants from a Latin >> American country whose parents were brought up speaking English and the >> (now adult) grandchild can't functionally speak Spanish. Add that the >> parents did well for themselves and the adult grandchild spent no time in a >> barrio. Even if s/he is labeled a Hispanic by the census or in some other >> demographic listing, how relevant is that? Or take a young man with the >> last name of Gonzalez but his only Hispanic grandparent was his father's >> father from whom he gets the name. His 7 other grandparents are of German, >> Irish, Scandinavian and Italian extraction. How relevant is it to label him >> Hispanic? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
