So it seems that she did it for attention. But why bail already? Maybe because someone explained she would have to show that she got nothing in campaign contributions.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 3:10 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > They don’t really need the quotation marks in that headline. > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:59 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Aaaaaaaand Dash has dropped out of the race "after much prayer" >> >> Amen to that >> >> https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/politics/stacey-dash- >> withdraws-congressional-race/index.html?sr=twCNN033018stacey-dash- >> withdraws-congressional-race0405PMStory >> >> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Stacey Dash says she’s ‘not here to judge’ neo-Nazis in first TV >>> interview since declaring congressional bid >>> >>> >>> Link >>> <http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/stacey-dash-not-judge-neo-nazis-article-1.3864252> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 3:22 AM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Few arguments are simultaneously more passionate and arcane as those >>>> about the US Census Race and Ethnicity questions. I have been involved in a >>>> lot of these over the years, and will inhibit the impulse to get deep in >>>> those weeds here. I will point out two things: >>>> >>>> 1. Nothing that you refer to here supports the idea that US Hispanics >>>> who choose not to identify as “white” are somehow in error. This has been >>>> My main concern with your original claim. The US Government does not try >>>> and tell people what their racial and ethnic identification is or should >>>> be. US citizens (almost) always self identify (the exception to this is in >>>> the case of some native ethnicities). If George Lopez does not want to >>>> identify as white, he does not have to, and he is not in error if he >>>> chooses not to. >>>> >>>> 2. The SOR problem is a function of the option introduced in the 2000 >>>> Census to choose more than one racial designation, or none. The solution >>>> the OMB is moving towards is actually in the direction that I favor (as I >>>> noted in my previous post) of combining race and ethnicity. In that case, >>>> people will be able to identify as “Hispanic” (specifying, if they like, >>>> which specific Hispanic group they come from) as an alternative to >>>> identifying as any race. Of course, people will also have the option of >>>> marking Hispanic and one or more other race boxes. >>>> >>>> The OMB pilot data suggests that this will reduce the number of people >>>> who elect to mark no box (which is what has been bugging OMB). >>>> >>>> Your statement that according to the OMB vision Hispanics who aren’t >>>> Black, Asian or indigenous are supposed to describe themselves as white is >>>> only kind of accurate, in the same way that you could also say Hispanics >>>> who aren’t white, Asian or indigenous are supposed to identify as Black. >>>> What OMB wants is for most people, using the old system, to select some >>>> racial identification. But even under the current system, Hispanics are >>>> free to select more than one racial category (just as anyone else is). But >>>> what is not true is that most Hispanics are *really* white, and are wrong >>>> unless they so identify. As I say, the 2015 National Content Test (you can >>>> download it here: https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/ >>>> 2020/program-management/final-analysis-reports/2015nct-race- >>>> ethnicity-analysis.pdf - see in particular page 7 and page 26 ) >>>> suggests that in the future, some Hispanics may elect to identify simply as >>>> Hispanic, and not check any additional racial designation. This basically >>>> collapses the idea of ethnicity and race, which as I say is the direction I >>>> think we should be going in. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:21 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The race and ethnicity categories are set up by the Office of >>>>> Management and Budget. As the OMB envisions it, Hispanics who aren't >>>>> black, >>>>> Asian or indigenous are supposed to describe themselves as white. >>>>> "In fact, in 2000 and in 2010, the Some Other Race (SOR) population, >>>>> which was intended to be a small residual category, was the third largest >>>>> race group. This was primarily due to reporting by Hispanics, who make up >>>>> the overwhelming majority of those classified as SOR, not identifying with >>>>> any of the OMB race categories." >>>>> https://www.census.gov/about/our-research/race-ethnicity.html >>>>> >>>>> So they talk about doing a better job communicating to them. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:53 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Again, Hispanic is an ethnicity. It does not refer to language, >>>>>> nationality, (though both of those have some relationship) SES or race. >>>>>> Yes, it is true that for some people ethnic designation would not have >>>>>> meaning, but that does not mean the designation is meaningless for most >>>>>> people. For most of the people who identify as Hispanic in CA 44, the >>>>>> designation is very meaningful. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don’t know how George Lopez identifies, but most Mexican Americans >>>>>> identify as Hispanic, non-white.* That means their ethnicity is Hispanic >>>>>> and their race is not white. I don’t know of any valid criteria that >>>>>> would >>>>>> allow anyone to say that is an incorrect identification. >>>>>> >>>>>> All of this is relevant here because, in CA at least, Hispanics and >>>>>> Blacks have a significant tendency to vote Democratic. Staci Dash will be >>>>>> running as a Republican in a SoCal district that is more than 80% either >>>>>> Hispanic or black. Obama has a better chance of being elected Governor of >>>>>> Utah than Dash has of being elected Congresswomen in CA-44 >>>>>> >>>>>> * Even though Hispanic is an ethnicity, since such a large fraction >>>>>> of Americans who identify as Hispanic also decline to identify a race >>>>>> (which is included in the code “not white”), for most practical purposes >>>>>> Hispanic gets treated as another racial category, parallel with white, >>>>>> Black, Asian/Pacific Islander etc, and within certain tolerances that >>>>>> works. I would prefer to eliminate racial categories all together and >>>>>> treat >>>>>> them all as ethnicities, since I think that is what they are, and “race” >>>>>> invokes a biological essentialism which is a holdover from the scientific >>>>>> racism of the 19th century, but that is another matter. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:48 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:56 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don’t know that this is a true statement. As I said, Hispanic is >>>>>>>> an ethnicity, white is a racial category. It is obviously possible for >>>>>>>> someone to be both Hispanic and White. I do not think it is possible >>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>> person to be in error in identifying themselves as Hispanic but not >>>>>>>> white. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe it's enough to say there is a big enough gray area to make the >>>>>>> demographics meaningless. Take a grandchild of immigrants from a Latin >>>>>>> American country whose parents were brought up speaking English and the >>>>>>> (now adult) grandchild can't functionally speak Spanish. Add that the >>>>>>> parents did well for themselves and the adult grandchild spent no time >>>>>>> in a >>>>>>> barrio. Even if s/he is labeled a Hispanic by the census or in some >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> demographic listing, how relevant is that? Or take a young man with the >>>>>>> last name of Gonzalez but his only Hispanic grandparent was his father's >>>>>>> father from whom he gets the name. His 7 other grandparents are of >>>>>>> German, >>>>>>> Irish, Scandinavian and Italian extraction. How relevant is it to label >>>>>>> him >>>>>>> Hispanic? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kevin M. 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