Aaaaaaaand Dash has dropped out of the race "after much prayer" Amen to that
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/politics/stacey-dash-withdraws-congressional-race/index.html?sr=twCNN033018stacey-dash-withdraws-congressional-race0405PMStory On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Steve Timko <[email protected]> wrote: > Stacey Dash says she’s ‘not here to judge’ neo-Nazis in first TV interview > since declaring congressional bid > > > Link > <http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/stacey-dash-not-judge-neo-nazis-article-1.3864252> > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 3:22 AM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Few arguments are simultaneously more passionate and arcane as those >> about the US Census Race and Ethnicity questions. I have been involved in a >> lot of these over the years, and will inhibit the impulse to get deep in >> those weeds here. I will point out two things: >> >> 1. Nothing that you refer to here supports the idea that US Hispanics who >> choose not to identify as “white” are somehow in error. This has been My >> main concern with your original claim. The US Government does not try and >> tell people what their racial and ethnic identification is or should be. US >> citizens (almost) always self identify (the exception to this is in the >> case of some native ethnicities). If George Lopez does not want to identify >> as white, he does not have to, and he is not in error if he chooses not to. >> >> 2. The SOR problem is a function of the option introduced in the 2000 >> Census to choose more than one racial designation, or none. The solution >> the OMB is moving towards is actually in the direction that I favor (as I >> noted in my previous post) of combining race and ethnicity. In that case, >> people will be able to identify as “Hispanic” (specifying, if they like, >> which specific Hispanic group they come from) as an alternative to >> identifying as any race. Of course, people will also have the option of >> marking Hispanic and one or more other race boxes. >> >> The OMB pilot data suggests that this will reduce the number of people >> who elect to mark no box (which is what has been bugging OMB). >> >> Your statement that according to the OMB vision Hispanics who aren’t >> Black, Asian or indigenous are supposed to describe themselves as white is >> only kind of accurate, in the same way that you could also say Hispanics >> who aren’t white, Asian or indigenous are supposed to identify as Black. >> What OMB wants is for most people, using the old system, to select some >> racial identification. But even under the current system, Hispanics are >> free to select more than one racial category (just as anyone else is). But >> what is not true is that most Hispanics are *really* white, and are wrong >> unless they so identify. As I say, the 2015 National Content Test (you can >> download it here: https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/202 >> 0/program-management/final-analysis-reports/2015nct-race-eth >> nicity-analysis.pdf - see in particular page 7 and page 26 ) suggests >> that in the future, some Hispanics may elect to identify simply as >> Hispanic, and not check any additional racial designation. This basically >> collapses the idea of ethnicity and race, which as I say is the direction I >> think we should be going in. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:21 PM Steve Timko <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> The race and ethnicity categories are set up by the Office of Management >>> and Budget. As the OMB envisions it, Hispanics who aren't black, Asian or >>> indigenous are supposed to describe themselves as white. >>> "In fact, in 2000 and in 2010, the Some Other Race (SOR) population, >>> which was intended to be a small residual category, was the third largest >>> race group. This was primarily due to reporting by Hispanics, who make up >>> the overwhelming majority of those classified as SOR, not identifying with >>> any of the OMB race categories." >>> https://www.census.gov/about/our-research/race-ethnicity.html >>> >>> So they talk about doing a better job communicating to them. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:53 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Again, Hispanic is an ethnicity. It does not refer to language, >>>> nationality, (though both of those have some relationship) SES or race. >>>> Yes, it is true that for some people ethnic designation would not have >>>> meaning, but that does not mean the designation is meaningless for most >>>> people. For most of the people who identify as Hispanic in CA 44, the >>>> designation is very meaningful. >>>> >>>> I don’t know how George Lopez identifies, but most Mexican Americans >>>> identify as Hispanic, non-white.* That means their ethnicity is Hispanic >>>> and their race is not white. I don’t know of any valid criteria that would >>>> allow anyone to say that is an incorrect identification. >>>> >>>> All of this is relevant here because, in CA at least, Hispanics and >>>> Blacks have a significant tendency to vote Democratic. Staci Dash will be >>>> running as a Republican in a SoCal district that is more than 80% either >>>> Hispanic or black. Obama has a better chance of being elected Governor of >>>> Utah than Dash has of being elected Congresswomen in CA-44 >>>> >>>> * Even though Hispanic is an ethnicity, since such a large fraction of >>>> Americans who identify as Hispanic also decline to identify a race (which >>>> is included in the code “not white”), for most practical purposes Hispanic >>>> gets treated as another racial category, parallel with white, Black, >>>> Asian/Pacific Islander etc, and within certain tolerances that works. I >>>> would prefer to eliminate racial categories all together and treat them all >>>> as ethnicities, since I think that is what they are, and “race” invokes a >>>> biological essentialism which is a holdover from the scientific racism of >>>> the 19th century, but that is another matter. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:48 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:56 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don’t know that this is a true statement. As I said, Hispanic is an >>>>>> ethnicity, white is a racial category. It is obviously possible for >>>>>> someone >>>>>> to be both Hispanic and White. I do not think it is possible for a person >>>>>> to be in error in identifying themselves as Hispanic but not white. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it's enough to say there is a big enough gray area to make the >>>>> demographics meaningless. Take a grandchild of immigrants from a Latin >>>>> American country whose parents were brought up speaking English and the >>>>> (now adult) grandchild can't functionally speak Spanish. Add that the >>>>> parents did well for themselves and the adult grandchild spent no time in >>>>> a >>>>> barrio. Even if s/he is labeled a Hispanic by the census or in some other >>>>> demographic listing, how relevant is that? Or take a young man with the >>>>> last name of Gonzalez but his only Hispanic grandparent was his father's >>>>> father from whom he gets the name. His 7 other grandparents are of German, >>>>> Irish, Scandinavian and Italian extraction. 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