For the last couple of days I’ve been trying to think of what I would want from a CNN subscription service and I can’t come up with anything. I’d like on demand documentary explainers that go deep into topics but they are available for free on YouTube.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 6:59 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > I don’t understand why anyone at CNN thought their viewers would buy > different CNN content that was streamed. > > In college I used to have “CNN Headline News” on in the background > constantly. As background noise, at the time nothing was better. When I > lived in Central Asia, when I had access to cable, I turned on BBC World > News. It was even better background noise. Yes, they were both repetitive > but it was live journalism in living color when and where I wanted it. > > Whether the “flagship” network is overhauled or the streaming content is > relaunched, if the focus isn’t on journalism, it is fundamentally flawed. > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 3:48 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Totally agree that CNN as is hardly inspires cutting edge journalism. >> >> What I am curious about Kevin (or anyone else) is how does streaming >> news+opinion offer an advantage over the linear cable platform. Ideally a >> basic newscast would repeat and be updated multiple times in the 24 hour >> day on cable or streaming, so why do I need to be able to view a newscast >> online from even 4 hours ago? There may be special reports and >> documentaries from CNN cable that would be nice to archive and access as >> desired online, but that seems like a supplement, not a replacement of the >> cable presence. >> >> If I were a news first guy at CNN, I would be caring less about a vanity >> streaming presence, and more about upgrading the journalism on the >> mothership. Get that right, and then just simulcast it on streaming to >> magnify it’s footprint. >> >> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 3:40 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I didn’t subscribe to it, because the very concept of paying for what >>> CNN does seems wrong on multiple levels, but I don’t think dropping CNN+ >>> after a month disrespects the newsroom; I think the content coming out of >>> the newsroom disrespects the newsroom. >>> >>> It wouldn’t take much to make CNN a go-to source for news, but the >>> network’s insane plan of elevating personalities and pundits over >>> journalists and experts, reducing the network to armchair quarterbacks who >>> bark over each other then pat each other on the back for doing it, prevents >>> that from ever happening. >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 3:33 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Based on the reporting of Dylan Byers at Puck, the answer is both A and >>>> B (not sure they are that different). Zaslav, while respecting that he had >>>> no say until he officially too over, has made it clear he is looking for >>>> efficiency (he has promised $3B Of savings in cost synergies), and that >>>> clearly always included combining all of the new assets in one streaming >>>> service. There will be CNN content online, maybe a lot of it, but it will >>>> be on whatever they eventually call the new thing, which likely will >>>> eventually also fold in HBO. >>>> >>>> The CNN people saw CNN+ primarily in terms of serving their news >>>> mission and ambition (to be the news organization of choice on the >>>> internet, supplanting the NYT). I think they were betting that if they >>>> committed CNN financially and publicly enough before the new guys came in, >>>> they would have no choice but to keep going. They lost that bet. >>>> >>>> The newsroom is seeing this as a demoralizing and disrespectful >>>> de-prioritizing of News within the new company. They may be correct, but I >>>> think it is too soon to tell. CNN+ Always seemed a little self important >>>> and deluded an idea, and I have never heard an explanation of how news, >>>> whose main attribute is timeliness, translates well to the archived, mended >>>> and on demand environment of streaming. >>>> >>>> Whatever Chris Wallace wants to do, it arguably will be more successful >>>> if somehow pushed to the consumer of John Oliver or Bill Maher, than as the >>>> furtive lynchpin of an all news streamer. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 2:44 PM Paul Murray <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm puzzled that no one at CNN seemed to consider, "since we're being >>>>> acquired, maybe we should hold off launching this expensive venture until >>>>> we see what our new overlords think." Especially since their plans called >>>>> for losing $1b in the first few years, and the new company was already >>>>> going to be saddled with plenty of debt, courtesy of AT&T. >>>>> >>>>> I can only conclude that either a) they were high on their own supply >>>>> and convinced that CNN+ was a work of absolute genius that everyone would >>>>> recognize or b) they knew the new guys would pull the plug, and they were >>>>> determined to plunge ahead regardless. >>>>> >>>>> From what I have read, Discovery was wary for legal reasons of issuing >>>>> any directions to Warner pre-merger. >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 4:18:47 PM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Journalists I follow on twitter say the consequences of a failure >>>>>> this large are going to reverberate in CNN for years. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 12:20 AM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Remember this picture trending of a bunch of white guys in charge of >>>>>>> CNN+? People, myself included, pointed out that in Atlanta, to not have >>>>>>> ANY >>>>>>> other ethnic representation showed a profound disconnect from the >>>>>>> potential >>>>>>> online audience. I can’t prove that’s why it failed, but… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/morsea/status/1508645771066982403?s=21&t=-7ealiXbkRNUZFSbMb2T6A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:40 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wish I had $300 million I could throw away like that. I was >>>>>>>> surprised to see that Chris Wallace’s show wasn’t about interviewing >>>>>>>> newsmakers but interviewing people like William Shatner and Joan >>>>>>>> Collins. >>>>>>>> Were they targeting nursing homes? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:33 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All anybody wanted was access to a live stream for breaking news. >>>>>>>>> CNN execs couldn’t figure that out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:27 AM Joe Hass <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey Quibi: you've got company! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.wsj.com/articles/warner-bros-discovery-is-shutting-down-cnn-streaming-service-11650556680?st=6x8pi3k7qmjr1rr&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 3:28 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> At least till new bosses JB Perrette and Chris Licht get a >>>>>>>>>>> chance to look over things. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/cnn-plus-future-warner-bros-discovery-1235235816/ >>>>>>>>>>> (link) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Licht begins at the company May 2nd, at which time he'll quit >>>>>>>>>>> Twitter. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ChrisLicht/status/1516071114073645060 (link) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> B >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/74295e35-a209-4a80-9177-daaaa2efe4b0n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/74295e35-a209-4a80-9177-daaaa2efe4b0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2Bdn%3D-of8uHM%2B_AbaM_Vs9YDzWBpZj5Qo49UjcdVAYK1YA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2Bdn%3D-of8uHM%2B_AbaM_Vs9YDzWBpZj5Qo49UjcdVAYK1YA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Kevin M. 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