Yeah - YouTube TV is a 2022 delivery model operating under a 2002 business model. You still pay for a bundle of channels, a fair few I suspect you don't watch.
There's a really good piece on CNBC which seems like the most balanced reporting I've read on the whole CNN+ fiasco: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/24/cnn-plus-what-went-wrong-why-it-was-canceled.html On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 10:39 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay, thanks for this Adam. I guess I knew about the exclusivity part of > the cable deal, but was not thinking about it. That does explain why CNN+ > is not mostly CNN news summaries on a loop. I access television through > YoutubeTV, mostly through my Fire at TV stick, so it feels just like > streaming anyway, so I forget that is accessing cable, not true streaming. > > > On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 at 12:21 PM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The primary problem that CNN is facing is that what everyone would really >> want from a streaming CNN (if they want it at all) would be - well - >> regular CNN. >> >> But right now, they just can't deliver that - not without you first >> buying a cable bundle. The $1.01 (according to Variety back in 2020 - >> https://variety.com/vip/pay-tv-true-cost-free-1234810682/) that CNN gets >> per user per month is worth something of the order of $800m a year or >> thereabouts, and they can't afford to give that up. CNN's most recent >> *profits* are ~$700m! But obviously a significant number of people have cut >> the cord and don't have cable, and there's no current way that CNN can sell >> those households their regular service because of the exclusivity deals >> they've done with cable (and satellite) operators. Cable would simply stop >> paying the $1 a month if they weren't exclusive. >> >> The number of cable homes falls year on year, so those cable revenues >> fall commensurately. At some point, CNN will have to bite the bullet and >> give up those exclusivity deals. But in the meantime, CNN+ was at least >> theoretically, a workaround or hedge to allow people to get a sort-of-CNN >> without cable. Yes - at launch CNN+ was supposed to be for super-fans of >> the regular service (just as Fox News fans have Fox Nation - they too can't >> put their main offering on a streaming service), but in time they would >> surely have wanted to grow it out and offer a version of the service that >> didn't cost them that lucrative cable money. >> >> How CNN, Fox News, ESPN and others navigate this will be interesting. The >> networks and studios with non-news and sport can do it by slowly shifting >> shows to their streamers, and putting all the "good" stuff on streaming. >> Hence we see ABC shifting Dancing with the Stars to Disney+. CBS can stay >> full of NCIS spin-offs, while anything else goes on Paramount+ and so on. >> >> There's a good question about how news should work in a streaming world, >> but honestly I think a "lift and shift" from linear broadcast to streaming >> would be just fine for a lot of people. Add in the ability for me to watch >> a 20-30 minute regularly updated news bulletin on demand, and that's just >> fine. I bet a load of streaming only folk would happily leave something >> like CNN streaming live in the background on mute or low volume, just >> keeping an eye for "Breaking News" banners. But it's a business limitation >> they face right now. >> >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 7:13 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> For the last couple of days I’ve been trying to think of what I would >>> want from a CNN subscription service and I can’t come up with anything. I’d >>> like on demand documentary explainers that go deep into topics but they are >>> available for free on YouTube. >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 6:59 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I don’t understand why anyone at CNN thought their viewers would buy >>>> different CNN content that was streamed. >>>> >>>> In college I used to have “CNN Headline News” on in the background >>>> constantly. As background noise, at the time nothing was better. When I >>>> lived in Central Asia, when I had access to cable, I turned on BBC World >>>> News. It was even better background noise. Yes, they were both repetitive >>>> but it was live journalism in living color when and where I wanted it. >>>> >>>> Whether the “flagship” network is overhauled or the streaming content >>>> is relaunched, if the focus isn’t on journalism, it is fundamentally >>>> flawed. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 3:48 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Totally agree that CNN as is hardly inspires cutting edge journalism. >>>>> >>>>> What I am curious about Kevin (or anyone else) is how does streaming >>>>> news+opinion offer an advantage over the linear cable platform. Ideally a >>>>> basic newscast would repeat and be updated multiple times in the 24 hour >>>>> day on cable or streaming, so why do I need to be able to view a newscast >>>>> online from even 4 hours ago? There may be special reports and >>>>> documentaries from CNN cable that would be nice to archive and access as >>>>> desired online, but that seems like a supplement, not a replacement of the >>>>> cable presence. >>>>> >>>>> If I were a news first guy at CNN, I would be caring less about a >>>>> vanity streaming presence, and more about upgrading the journalism on the >>>>> mothership. Get that right, and then just simulcast it on streaming to >>>>> magnify it’s footprint. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 3:40 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I didn’t subscribe to it, because the very concept of paying for what >>>>>> CNN does seems wrong on multiple levels, but I don’t think dropping CNN+ >>>>>> after a month disrespects the newsroom; I think the content coming out of >>>>>> the newsroom disrespects the newsroom. >>>>>> >>>>>> It wouldn’t take much to make CNN a go-to source for news, but the >>>>>> network’s insane plan of elevating personalities and pundits over >>>>>> journalists and experts, reducing the network to armchair quarterbacks >>>>>> who >>>>>> bark over each other then pat each other on the back for doing it, >>>>>> prevents >>>>>> that from ever happening. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 3:33 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Based on the reporting of Dylan Byers at Puck, the answer is both A >>>>>>> and B (not sure they are that different). Zaslav, while respecting that >>>>>>> he >>>>>>> had no say until he officially too over, has made it clear he is looking >>>>>>> for efficiency (he has promised $3B Of savings in cost synergies), and >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> clearly always included combining all of the new assets in one streaming >>>>>>> service. There will be CNN content online, maybe a lot of it, but it >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be on whatever they eventually call the new thing, which likely will >>>>>>> eventually also fold in HBO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The CNN people saw CNN+ primarily in terms of serving their news >>>>>>> mission and ambition (to be the news organization of choice on the >>>>>>> internet, supplanting the NYT). I think they were betting that if they >>>>>>> committed CNN financially and publicly enough before the new guys came >>>>>>> in, >>>>>>> they would have no choice but to keep going. They lost that bet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The newsroom is seeing this as a demoralizing and disrespectful >>>>>>> de-prioritizing of News within the new company. They may be correct, >>>>>>> but I >>>>>>> think it is too soon to tell. CNN+ Always seemed a little self important >>>>>>> and deluded an idea, and I have never heard an explanation of how news, >>>>>>> whose main attribute is timeliness, translates well to the archived, >>>>>>> mended >>>>>>> and on demand environment of streaming. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Whatever Chris Wallace wants to do, it arguably will be more >>>>>>> successful if somehow pushed to the consumer of John Oliver or Bill >>>>>>> Maher, >>>>>>> than as the furtive lynchpin of an all news streamer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 2:44 PM Paul Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm puzzled that no one at CNN seemed to consider, "since we're >>>>>>>> being acquired, maybe we should hold off launching this expensive >>>>>>>> venture >>>>>>>> until we see what our new overlords think." Especially since their >>>>>>>> plans >>>>>>>> called for losing $1b in the first few years, and the new company was >>>>>>>> already going to be saddled with plenty of debt, courtesy of AT&T. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can only conclude that either a) they were high on their own >>>>>>>> supply and convinced that CNN+ was a work of absolute genius that >>>>>>>> everyone >>>>>>>> would recognize or b) they knew the new guys would pull the plug, and >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> were determined to plunge ahead regardless. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From what I have read, Discovery was wary for legal reasons of >>>>>>>> issuing any directions to Warner pre-merger. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 4:18:47 PM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Journalists I follow on twitter say the consequences of a failure >>>>>>>>> this large are going to reverberate in CNN for years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 12:20 AM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Remember this picture trending of a bunch of white guys in charge >>>>>>>>>> of CNN+? People, myself included, pointed out that in Atlanta, to >>>>>>>>>> not have >>>>>>>>>> ANY other ethnic representation showed a profound disconnect from the >>>>>>>>>> potential online audience. I can’t prove that’s why it failed, but… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/morsea/status/1508645771066982403?s=21&t=-7ealiXbkRNUZFSbMb2T6A >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:40 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I wish I had $300 million I could throw away like that. I was >>>>>>>>>>> surprised to see that Chris Wallace’s show wasn’t about interviewing >>>>>>>>>>> newsmakers but interviewing people like William Shatner and Joan >>>>>>>>>>> Collins. >>>>>>>>>>> Were they targeting nursing homes? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:33 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> All anybody wanted was access to a live stream for breaking >>>>>>>>>>>> news. CNN execs couldn’t figure that out. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:27 AM Joe Hass <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Quibi: you've got company! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wsj.com/articles/warner-bros-discovery-is-shutting-down-cnn-streaming-service-11650556680?st=6x8pi3k7qmjr1rr&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 3:28 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least till new bosses JB Perrette and Chris Licht get a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> chance to look over things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/cnn-plus-future-warner-bros-discovery-1235235816/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (link) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Licht begins at the company May 2nd, at which time he'll quit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ChrisLicht/status/1516071114073645060 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (link) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> B >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/74295e35-a209-4a80-9177-daaaa2efe4b0n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/74295e35-a209-4a80-9177-daaaa2efe4b0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2Bdn%3D-of8uHM%2B_AbaM_Vs9YDzWBpZj5Qo49UjcdVAYK1YA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2Bdn%3D-of8uHM%2B_AbaM_Vs9YDzWBpZj5Qo49UjcdVAYK1YA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin M. 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