That may be, though since previously I was paying almost twice as much for Xfinity for a 2012 delivery system for a 2002 business model, I am still enjoying YouTube TV. We can not get over the air reception where I live, and I do want access to things on broadcast and cable I can’t get otherwise, or as easily (including ESPN, cable news, and sports).
On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 at 2:53 AM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah - YouTube TV is a 2022 delivery model operating under a 2002 business > model. You still pay for a bundle of channels, a fair few I suspect you > don't watch. > > There's a really good piece on CNBC which seems like the most balanced > reporting I've read on the whole CNN+ fiasco: > https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/24/cnn-plus-what-went-wrong-why-it-was-canceled.html > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 10:39 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Okay, thanks for this Adam. I guess I knew about the exclusivity part of >> the cable deal, but was not thinking about it. That does explain why CNN+ >> is not mostly CNN news summaries on a loop. I access television through >> YoutubeTV, mostly through my Fire at TV stick, so it feels just like >> streaming anyway, so I forget that is accessing cable, not true streaming. >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 at 12:21 PM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The primary problem that CNN is facing is that what everyone would >>> really want from a streaming CNN (if they want it at all) would be - well - >>> regular CNN. >>> >>> But right now, they just can't deliver that - not without you first >>> buying a cable bundle. The $1.01 (according to Variety back in 2020 - >>> https://variety.com/vip/pay-tv-true-cost-free-1234810682/) that CNN >>> gets per user per month is worth something of the order of $800m a year or >>> thereabouts, and they can't afford to give that up. CNN's most recent >>> *profits* are ~$700m! But obviously a significant number of people have cut >>> the cord and don't have cable, and there's no current way that CNN can sell >>> those households their regular service because of the exclusivity deals >>> they've done with cable (and satellite) operators. Cable would simply stop >>> paying the $1 a month if they weren't exclusive. >>> >>> The number of cable homes falls year on year, so those cable revenues >>> fall commensurately. At some point, CNN will have to bite the bullet and >>> give up those exclusivity deals. But in the meantime, CNN+ was at least >>> theoretically, a workaround or hedge to allow people to get a sort-of-CNN >>> without cable. Yes - at launch CNN+ was supposed to be for super-fans of >>> the regular service (just as Fox News fans have Fox Nation - they too can't >>> put their main offering on a streaming service), but in time they would >>> surely have wanted to grow it out and offer a version of the service that >>> didn't cost them that lucrative cable money. >>> >>> How CNN, Fox News, ESPN and others navigate this will be interesting. >>> The networks and studios with non-news and sport can do it by slowly >>> shifting shows to their streamers, and putting all the "good" stuff on >>> streaming. Hence we see ABC shifting Dancing with the Stars to Disney+. CBS >>> can stay full of NCIS spin-offs, while anything else goes on Paramount+ and >>> so on. >>> >>> There's a good question about how news should work in a streaming world, >>> but honestly I think a "lift and shift" from linear broadcast to streaming >>> would be just fine for a lot of people. Add in the ability for me to watch >>> a 20-30 minute regularly updated news bulletin on demand, and that's just >>> fine. I bet a load of streaming only folk would happily leave something >>> like CNN streaming live in the background on mute or low volume, just >>> keeping an eye for "Breaking News" banners. But it's a business limitation >>> they face right now. >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 7:13 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> For the last couple of days I’ve been trying to think of what I would >>>> want from a CNN subscription service and I can’t come up with anything. I’d >>>> like on demand documentary explainers that go deep into topics but they are >>>> available for free on YouTube. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 6:59 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don’t understand why anyone at CNN thought their viewers would buy >>>>> different CNN content that was streamed. >>>>> >>>>> In college I used to have “CNN Headline News” on in the background >>>>> constantly. As background noise, at the time nothing was better. When I >>>>> lived in Central Asia, when I had access to cable, I turned on BBC World >>>>> News. It was even better background noise. Yes, they were both repetitive >>>>> but it was live journalism in living color when and where I wanted it. >>>>> >>>>> Whether the “flagship” network is overhauled or the streaming content >>>>> is relaunched, if the focus isn’t on journalism, it is fundamentally >>>>> flawed. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 3:48 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Totally agree that CNN as is hardly inspires cutting edge journalism. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I am curious about Kevin (or anyone else) is how does streaming >>>>>> news+opinion offer an advantage over the linear cable platform. Ideally a >>>>>> basic newscast would repeat and be updated multiple times in the 24 hour >>>>>> day on cable or streaming, so why do I need to be able to view a newscast >>>>>> online from even 4 hours ago? There may be special reports and >>>>>> documentaries from CNN cable that would be nice to archive and access as >>>>>> desired online, but that seems like a supplement, not a replacement of >>>>>> the >>>>>> cable presence. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I were a news first guy at CNN, I would be caring less about a >>>>>> vanity streaming presence, and more about upgrading the journalism on the >>>>>> mothership. Get that right, and then just simulcast it on streaming to >>>>>> magnify it’s footprint. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 3:40 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn’t subscribe to it, because the very concept of paying for >>>>>>> what CNN does seems wrong on multiple levels, but I don’t think dropping >>>>>>> CNN+ after a month disrespects the newsroom; I think the content coming >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> of the newsroom disrespects the newsroom. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It wouldn’t take much to make CNN a go-to source for news, but the >>>>>>> network’s insane plan of elevating personalities and pundits over >>>>>>> journalists and experts, reducing the network to armchair quarterbacks >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> bark over each other then pat each other on the back for doing it, >>>>>>> prevents >>>>>>> that from ever happening. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 3:33 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Based on the reporting of Dylan Byers at Puck, the answer is both A >>>>>>>> and B (not sure they are that different). Zaslav, while respecting >>>>>>>> that he >>>>>>>> had no say until he officially too over, has made it clear he is >>>>>>>> looking >>>>>>>> for efficiency (he has promised $3B Of savings in cost synergies), and >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> clearly always included combining all of the new assets in one >>>>>>>> streaming >>>>>>>> service. There will be CNN content online, maybe a lot of it, but it >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be on whatever they eventually call the new thing, which likely will >>>>>>>> eventually also fold in HBO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The CNN people saw CNN+ primarily in terms of serving their news >>>>>>>> mission and ambition (to be the news organization of choice on the >>>>>>>> internet, supplanting the NYT). I think they were betting that if they >>>>>>>> committed CNN financially and publicly enough before the new guys came >>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>> they would have no choice but to keep going. They lost that bet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The newsroom is seeing this as a demoralizing and disrespectful >>>>>>>> de-prioritizing of News within the new company. They may be correct, >>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>> think it is too soon to tell. CNN+ Always seemed a little self >>>>>>>> important >>>>>>>> and deluded an idea, and I have never heard an explanation of how news, >>>>>>>> whose main attribute is timeliness, translates well to the archived, >>>>>>>> mended >>>>>>>> and on demand environment of streaming. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Whatever Chris Wallace wants to do, it arguably will be more >>>>>>>> successful if somehow pushed to the consumer of John Oliver or Bill >>>>>>>> Maher, >>>>>>>> than as the furtive lynchpin of an all news streamer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 2:44 PM Paul Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm puzzled that no one at CNN seemed to consider, "since we're >>>>>>>>> being acquired, maybe we should hold off launching this expensive >>>>>>>>> venture >>>>>>>>> until we see what our new overlords think." Especially since their >>>>>>>>> plans >>>>>>>>> called for losing $1b in the first few years, and the new company was >>>>>>>>> already going to be saddled with plenty of debt, courtesy of AT&T. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can only conclude that either a) they were high on their own >>>>>>>>> supply and convinced that CNN+ was a work of absolute genius that >>>>>>>>> everyone >>>>>>>>> would recognize or b) they knew the new guys would pull the plug, and >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> were determined to plunge ahead regardless. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From what I have read, Discovery was wary for legal reasons of >>>>>>>>> issuing any directions to Warner pre-merger. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 4:18:47 PM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Journalists I follow on twitter say the consequences of a failure >>>>>>>>>> this large are going to reverberate in CNN for years. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 12:20 AM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Remember this picture trending of a bunch of white guys in >>>>>>>>>>> charge of CNN+? People, myself included, pointed out that in >>>>>>>>>>> Atlanta, to >>>>>>>>>>> not have ANY other ethnic representation showed a profound >>>>>>>>>>> disconnect from >>>>>>>>>>> the potential online audience. I can’t prove that’s why it failed, >>>>>>>>>>> but… >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/morsea/status/1508645771066982403?s=21&t=-7ealiXbkRNUZFSbMb2T6A >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:40 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wish I had $300 million I could throw away like that. I was >>>>>>>>>>>> surprised to see that Chris Wallace’s show wasn’t about >>>>>>>>>>>> interviewing >>>>>>>>>>>> newsmakers but interviewing people like William Shatner and Joan >>>>>>>>>>>> Collins. >>>>>>>>>>>> Were they targeting nursing homes? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:33 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> All anybody wanted was access to a live stream for breaking >>>>>>>>>>>>> news. CNN execs couldn’t figure that out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:27 AM Joe Hass <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Quibi: you've got company! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wsj.com/articles/warner-bros-discovery-is-shutting-down-cnn-streaming-service-11650556680?st=6x8pi3k7qmjr1rr&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 3:28 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least till new bosses JB Perrette and Chris Licht get a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chance to look over things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/cnn-plus-future-warner-bros-discovery-1235235816/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (link) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Licht begins at the company May 2nd, at which time he'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quit Twitter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ChrisLicht/status/1516071114073645060 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (link) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/74295e35-a209-4a80-9177-daaaa2efe4b0n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/74295e35-a209-4a80-9177-daaaa2efe4b0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2Bdn%3D-of8uHM%2B_AbaM_Vs9YDzWBpZj5Qo49UjcdVAYK1YA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2Bdn%3D-of8uHM%2B_AbaM_Vs9YDzWBpZj5Qo49UjcdVAYK1YA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin M. 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