Okay, thanks for this Adam. I guess I knew about the exclusivity part of the cable deal, but was not thinking about it. That does explain why CNN+ is not mostly CNN news summaries on a loop. I access television through YoutubeTV, mostly through my Fire at TV stick, so it feels just like streaming anyway, so I forget that is accessing cable, not true streaming.
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 at 12:21 PM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: > The primary problem that CNN is facing is that what everyone would really > want from a streaming CNN (if they want it at all) would be - well - > regular CNN. > > But right now, they just can't deliver that - not without you first buying > a cable bundle. The $1.01 (according to Variety back in 2020 - > https://variety.com/vip/pay-tv-true-cost-free-1234810682/) that CNN gets > per user per month is worth something of the order of $800m a year or > thereabouts, and they can't afford to give that up. CNN's most recent > *profits* are ~$700m! But obviously a significant number of people have cut > the cord and don't have cable, and there's no current way that CNN can sell > those households their regular service because of the exclusivity deals > they've done with cable (and satellite) operators. Cable would simply stop > paying the $1 a month if they weren't exclusive. > > The number of cable homes falls year on year, so those cable revenues fall > commensurately. At some point, CNN will have to bite the bullet and give up > those exclusivity deals. But in the meantime, CNN+ was at least > theoretically, a workaround or hedge to allow people to get a sort-of-CNN > without cable. Yes - at launch CNN+ was supposed to be for super-fans of > the regular service (just as Fox News fans have Fox Nation - they too can't > put their main offering on a streaming service), but in time they would > surely have wanted to grow it out and offer a version of the service that > didn't cost them that lucrative cable money. > > How CNN, Fox News, ESPN and others navigate this will be interesting. The > networks and studios with non-news and sport can do it by slowly shifting > shows to their streamers, and putting all the "good" stuff on streaming. > Hence we see ABC shifting Dancing with the Stars to Disney+. CBS can stay > full of NCIS spin-offs, while anything else goes on Paramount+ and so on. > > There's a good question about how news should work in a streaming world, > but honestly I think a "lift and shift" from linear broadcast to streaming > would be just fine for a lot of people. Add in the ability for me to watch > a 20-30 minute regularly updated news bulletin on demand, and that's just > fine. I bet a load of streaming only folk would happily leave something > like CNN streaming live in the background on mute or low volume, just > keeping an eye for "Breaking News" banners. But it's a business limitation > they face right now. > > > Adam > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 7:13 PM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> For the last couple of days I’ve been trying to think of what I would >> want from a CNN subscription service and I can’t come up with anything. I’d >> like on demand documentary explainers that go deep into topics but they are >> available for free on YouTube. >> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 6:59 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I don’t understand why anyone at CNN thought their viewers would buy >>> different CNN content that was streamed. >>> >>> In college I used to have “CNN Headline News” on in the background >>> constantly. As background noise, at the time nothing was better. When I >>> lived in Central Asia, when I had access to cable, I turned on BBC World >>> News. It was even better background noise. Yes, they were both repetitive >>> but it was live journalism in living color when and where I wanted it. >>> >>> Whether the “flagship” network is overhauled or the streaming content is >>> relaunched, if the focus isn’t on journalism, it is fundamentally flawed. >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 3:48 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Totally agree that CNN as is hardly inspires cutting edge journalism. >>>> >>>> What I am curious about Kevin (or anyone else) is how does streaming >>>> news+opinion offer an advantage over the linear cable platform. Ideally a >>>> basic newscast would repeat and be updated multiple times in the 24 hour >>>> day on cable or streaming, so why do I need to be able to view a newscast >>>> online from even 4 hours ago? There may be special reports and >>>> documentaries from CNN cable that would be nice to archive and access as >>>> desired online, but that seems like a supplement, not a replacement of the >>>> cable presence. >>>> >>>> If I were a news first guy at CNN, I would be caring less about a >>>> vanity streaming presence, and more about upgrading the journalism on the >>>> mothership. Get that right, and then just simulcast it on streaming to >>>> magnify it’s footprint. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 3:40 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I didn’t subscribe to it, because the very concept of paying for what >>>>> CNN does seems wrong on multiple levels, but I don’t think dropping CNN+ >>>>> after a month disrespects the newsroom; I think the content coming out of >>>>> the newsroom disrespects the newsroom. >>>>> >>>>> It wouldn’t take much to make CNN a go-to source for news, but the >>>>> network’s insane plan of elevating personalities and pundits over >>>>> journalists and experts, reducing the network to armchair quarterbacks who >>>>> bark over each other then pat each other on the back for doing it, >>>>> prevents >>>>> that from ever happening. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 3:33 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Based on the reporting of Dylan Byers at Puck, the answer is both A >>>>>> and B (not sure they are that different). Zaslav, while respecting that >>>>>> he >>>>>> had no say until he officially too over, has made it clear he is looking >>>>>> for efficiency (he has promised $3B Of savings in cost synergies), and >>>>>> that >>>>>> clearly always included combining all of the new assets in one streaming >>>>>> service. There will be CNN content online, maybe a lot of it, but it will >>>>>> be on whatever they eventually call the new thing, which likely will >>>>>> eventually also fold in HBO. >>>>>> >>>>>> The CNN people saw CNN+ primarily in terms of serving their news >>>>>> mission and ambition (to be the news organization of choice on the >>>>>> internet, supplanting the NYT). I think they were betting that if they >>>>>> committed CNN financially and publicly enough before the new guys came >>>>>> in, >>>>>> they would have no choice but to keep going. They lost that bet. >>>>>> >>>>>> The newsroom is seeing this as a demoralizing and disrespectful >>>>>> de-prioritizing of News within the new company. They may be correct, but >>>>>> I >>>>>> think it is too soon to tell. CNN+ Always seemed a little self important >>>>>> and deluded an idea, and I have never heard an explanation of how news, >>>>>> whose main attribute is timeliness, translates well to the archived, >>>>>> mended >>>>>> and on demand environment of streaming. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whatever Chris Wallace wants to do, it arguably will be more >>>>>> successful if somehow pushed to the consumer of John Oliver or Bill >>>>>> Maher, >>>>>> than as the furtive lynchpin of an all news streamer. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 2:44 PM Paul Murray <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm puzzled that no one at CNN seemed to consider, "since we're >>>>>>> being acquired, maybe we should hold off launching this expensive >>>>>>> venture >>>>>>> until we see what our new overlords think." Especially since their plans >>>>>>> called for losing $1b in the first few years, and the new company was >>>>>>> already going to be saddled with plenty of debt, courtesy of AT&T. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can only conclude that either a) they were high on their own >>>>>>> supply and convinced that CNN+ was a work of absolute genius that >>>>>>> everyone >>>>>>> would recognize or b) they knew the new guys would pull the plug, and >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> were determined to plunge ahead regardless. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From what I have read, Discovery was wary for legal reasons of >>>>>>> issuing any directions to Warner pre-merger. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 4:18:47 PM UTC-4 Tom Wolper wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Journalists I follow on twitter say the consequences of a failure >>>>>>>> this large are going to reverberate in CNN for years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 12:20 AM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Remember this picture trending of a bunch of white guys in charge >>>>>>>>> of CNN+? People, myself included, pointed out that in Atlanta, to not >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> ANY other ethnic representation showed a profound disconnect from the >>>>>>>>> potential online audience. I can’t prove that’s why it failed, but… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/morsea/status/1508645771066982403?s=21&t=-7ealiXbkRNUZFSbMb2T6A >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:40 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wish I had $300 million I could throw away like that. I was >>>>>>>>>> surprised to see that Chris Wallace’s show wasn’t about interviewing >>>>>>>>>> newsmakers but interviewing people like William Shatner and Joan >>>>>>>>>> Collins. >>>>>>>>>> Were they targeting nursing homes? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:33 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All anybody wanted was access to a live stream for breaking >>>>>>>>>>> news. CNN execs couldn’t figure that out. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:27 AM Joe Hass <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Quibi: you've got company! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wsj.com/articles/warner-bros-discovery-is-shutting-down-cnn-streaming-service-11650556680?st=6x8pi3k7qmjr1rr&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 3:28 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> At least till new bosses JB Perrette and Chris Licht get a >>>>>>>>>>>>> chance to look over things. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/cnn-plus-future-warner-bros-discovery-1235235816/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> (link) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Licht begins at the company May 2nd, at which time he'll quit >>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ChrisLicht/status/1516071114073645060 >>>>>>>>>>>>> (link) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> B >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/74295e35-a209-4a80-9177-daaaa2efe4b0n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/74295e35-a209-4a80-9177-daaaa2efe4b0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2Bdn%3D-of8uHM%2B_AbaM_Vs9YDzWBpZj5Qo49UjcdVAYK1YA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CABru7%2Bdn%3D-of8uHM%2B_AbaM_Vs9YDzWBpZj5Qo49UjcdVAYK1YA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin M. 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