On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 3:47:59 PM UTC+3, Cathal (Phone) wrote:
>
> Either you're trolling or you just hung yourself there, because I feel 
> like you're arguing my point for me by arguing your own ad-absurdum.
>
My sentiments exactly 😇 

>
> You could do with some reading on .... 
>
OK. educate me. 

>  
>
 

> "Censorship" would be forcibly preventing nodes other than your own from 
> communicating, 
>
You could use learning the law (or plain English). Censorship means 
maliciously obstructing comm. If you have a "right" to block comm, your 
opinion doesn't matter anymore [slave] the judge [you have no proof he's no 
paedo so he's a suspect] will force his on you (if he's a paedo, he's used 
to forcing his shit on folks)
 This has nothing to do with networking and layers. It's a moral, not 
tech/clerk issue.
 
 

> and would need to be a routing-layer intervention. 
>
 

> What is proposed is an application layer intervention
>
"Attack surface" is the term 😈
I don't care what your *intentions* are, you *will* become a pawn in their 
ugly game if needed.
 

allowing me to refuse to communicate with a node I don't like
>
Define "like" [legal definition]. I thought p2p meant an *obligation* to 
the network, not "I'll help against censorship as long as I "feel like it".

> , which isn't censorship, and never was, and never will be.
>
It is and ever and forever and whatever. A longer sentence isn't 
necessarily more true.
 

>
> Also, you need to better distinguish between algorithm (which you can't 
> change with code, and which can shape or chage the context of law) and code 
> (which you can change but is not immune to law), and law (which you can't 
> re-code, but which can compel code). Tor can legitimately claim not to be 
> able to intervene in encryoted communications because the algorithms simply 
> prevent it, code be damned. Twister has no such layering: the code is 
> everything, and if code is law then law is also code. Only Algorithms get a 
> free pass from law (so far).
>
Read "Code and other laws off cyberspace", come back when you know what 
you're talking about 

>
> Rest-of-room: ZZZ's asking me to relay child porn in cleartext
>
No. I'm asking to *prevent* you from labeling *some* of the content "*bad*" 
(paedo is just *one* of the "4 horsemen 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse>"). In "my 
book" paedo something you can tag bits with. They're just *bits* they're 
not paedo until you *masturbate* on them. If you're investigating, they're 
*forensic* bits. If you run a backup service, they're *what you do for a 
living*. Deciding "what is not worthy of your backup service" is a 
*perversion* [no pun intended. I mean you gotta be *fokken sick* to want 
that power over information and not understand how much this can endanger 
your freedom])
 

>  , and falsely conflating that with justice and censorship, really sort of 
> highlights why this commons needs rescuing.
>
> Replace "falsely conflating" with something neutral (say, "claiming this 
is what censorship is about") and I agree with what you say. This really 
highlights why we need to save twister [from people like you].
 

> Looking forward either to this much-needed or a fork. I'd offer a PR but 
> I'm not so good with C(/++)!
>
> I'm already planning a fork (100% i2p, different blockchain) so feel free 
to throw "real twister" to the paedo establishment (if miguel lets you do 
it).
Fork is the word ;) 

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