Symeon:
"/Please people look beyond eclipse there is a much bigger wider (and
easier) world out there./"
Since you ask so nicely, I'll have to take a look! :-)
Bill
P.S. I don't much like Eclipse either; not too impressed with BDT and
could never get Dougs tool to install properly.
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----- Original Message -----
*From:* syme...@gmail.com
*To:* 'U2 Users List' <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>
*Date:* 2/18/2012 2:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet (or
ssh) and that they are using some form of GUI editor.
Personally I know a lot of programmers in multiple disciplines - nearly all
of them have eclipse installed, not one of them uses it as an ide. There are
so many much much better environments for java or .net, or php etc. The BDT
is eclipse based and that is a throwback to the IBM days. Please people look
beyond eclipse there is a much bigger wider (and easier) world out there.
-----Original Message-----
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch
Sent: 18 February 2012 02:48
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want
telnet-based tools
Whether we are talking about Telnet that uses port 23 or UniObjects that
uses or 31438 or HTTP that uses 80, it not the port that is the problem.
It is not the way packets are transported or what overhead each different
protocol has. The fact remains for me it is the presentation.
Why do you think the new Metro interface from Microsoft is used "...in order
to create a unified and distinctive look across it consumer product and
services." It is the presentation that catches our eye.
When you are programming with the Telnet interface screen running behind
whatever you are using for an editor, then you will catch someone's eye but
not in good way. You can couch it with this runs faster, or you are more
productive, or it's simple to use: it does not really matter. They have seen
that editor does not that elegance.
When I fire up Eclipse they notice I have a real workbench with menu bars,
tool bars, different perspectives, views, and status bars. My screen looks
like a real editor because it is a real editor that Java developers, PHP
developer, C developers, C++ developers, and now U2 programmers use. I have
built in Search. I have built in Version control. I have built in the
ability to have two different accounts open. I have the ability see my
variables and internal subroutines. I can close those subroutines by click
on the minus and opening up with a plus. I can double click on a variable
and see on the ruler bar where it is used throughout the program.
The least understood feature I cannot live without anymore is continuous
compile. I no longer wait to compile my program to see what typos I make,
Universe and Unidata compiler are telling me while I type.
If fail to assign a value to a variable, I know as I'm typing. This alone
is worth the price of admission.
That perception is what I've been preaching about for years. It can impact
you as the developer or it can impact the entire organization.
Regards,
Doug
www.u2logic.com/tools.html
"XLr8Editor for Universe and Unidata"
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