Hi Dawn

The arguments we had with Ardent management on this.  Ardent Management
were saying that they don't know why anyone would buy a multivalue
database, whilst on the other hand they were promoting Datastage a
UniVerse product, as being one of the best Datawarehousing tools on the
market.  Figure?

Not only is it a pick embeded application, Datastage has outstanding
capabilitions in data integration with impressive benchmarks for data
loads (I think it still holds the record for dataloading) which flys in
the face of the critiscms of Pick for interoperability.  Sure datastage
has added other facilities on, but if Datastage can do it so can
Universe.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis
Sent: Friday, 30 January 2004 6:16 AM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential


I knew all of this except that I thought that DataStage still ran on
Universe, not a modified clone of Universe.  So, this does add to my
MultiValue database picture another imbedded PICK engine in a product
and gets the Ascential company into the MultiValue Family Tree picture
(next time I update it).  Thanks to all for the clarifications.  --dawn

Dawn M. Wolthuis
Tincat Group, Inc.
www.tincat-group.com

Take and give some delight today.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of David T. Meeks
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:55 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: [ot] Peoplesoft migrates to Ascential


Ascential is basically VMark/Ardent.� Almost all of the engineering,
sales, support staff that were responsible for Universe up until UV Rel
9.6 work for 
Ascential (myself and Glenn being two you've come to know over the
years)

When the split occurred, IBM retained the rights to sell/develop the
UniVerse product, as well as the former UniData engineers who were
trained on the 
internals of UnIverse.� They now are responsible for UV releases, with
UV Rel 10 being the first release to come from there.� 

Ascential also kept the rights to the source code.� Internal to the
DataStage 
product set (specifically what is known as DataStage Server, not to be
confused with DataStage PX, TX, or 390) is the UniVerse engine,
re-branded the 
DataStage Engine.� It is only available as part of the DS Server
package.

So no, Ascential is not a Universe customer.� However, IBM is an
Ascential customer and reseller.� They resell the DataStage product
suite.

It does increase the footprint of enterprises around the world that have
one of those MV engines running at their site, though.

Dave

At 08:30 AM 1/29/2004 -0600, you wrote:

Thanks for passing that along.� Is Ascential a Universe customer of
IBM's or did they end up taking Universe and changing it so that they
are yet another flavor of 'PICK' (not yet on my MultiValue Family Tree
diagram)?� If so, is it now called something other than Universe?�
Thanks.� --dawn
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