Hi Phil, The predecessors to the "relational models" have been around since the 60's as well (earlier in some cases). My main point is that u2 databases are very much as "modern" as any other technology. DEC RDB was around (certainly in the late 70's), the older hierarchical DBM's such as IMS etc. have been around since long before this.
I am currently having a fair bit to do with Informix and I can assure you, universe is a lot easier to administer and understand how it works. The only thing that we do not really have in u2 is raw disk access as all u2 technologies tend to rely on cooked files. I am sure, if u2 came up with an appropriate solution offering raw disk access, the performance would probably increase substantially along with the administrative overheads. I have donned my flameproof underpants as I am sure there are proponents of the other technologies who will disagree. Only 2 days left for the list so may as well make it interesting 8-) Regards David Logan Database Administrator HP Managed Services 139 Frome Street, Adelaide 5000 Australia +61 8 8408 4273 +61 417 268 665 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Walker Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 10:29 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The lists are closing David, As the list is closing this is probably not off topic - so I will comment. I believe PICK has been around since the mid to late 1960's, whereas Oracle and the SQL relation model has been around only since the mid to late 1970's early 1980's if you are talking about Oracle etc. I may be wrong. Phil Walker +64 21 336294 [EMAIL PROTECTED] infocusp limited \\ PO Box 77032, Auckland New Zealand \ www.infocusp.co.nz DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. infocusp limited is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by infocusp limited. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:36 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The lists are closing Best of luck Jeff, however I will point out the obvious, what is your definition of modern? I would have thought the good old "relational databases" have been around since before pick anyway? 8-) Regards David Logan Database Administrator HP Managed Services 139 Frome Street, Adelaide 5000 Australia +61 8 8408 4273 +61 417 268 665 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Ritchie Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 8:03 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The lists are closing Thanks for the memories Cliff :) Sorry to hear the lists are closing, but what the heck time and tide, work committments etc. As some one who is shortly to be ex mv, and moving into the more modern technologies l will decline the offer to join, but wish the site all the best. Cheers, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Moderator [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 27 March 2004 7:14 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The lists are closing Dear Friends: After 10+ years of either hosting or supporting the info-prime, info-unidata, info-vmark, info-informix, and u2-users etc lists, I have decided to shut down the list server. u2-users and u2-community will cease to exist as of 1 April 2004. IBM is officially supporting the efforts of the new U2UG.org group. (Yes. I am a member of the establishing Board of that group. So this is not a "coup" or Sour Grapes!) If you check out the forums that have been set up, I think you will will see that they cover everything anyone has asked for over the years in this group. I *really* want to encourage ALL of you to come over the the www.u2ug.org site and support this effort. This is *exactly* what many of you on this list have wanted over the years. If Not Now, When? Almost ten years on my Watch. How many years before that on Mike O'Rear's Watch? In the Net World, this has been a Hell of a good run. (I just couldn't resist tripping the Net Nanny filters one last time <very evil grin>) I'll see all of you on the other media, ok? -- Regards, Clif ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER & ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678 Web: www.oliver.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
