While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging
technologies as rapidly as the 'Big Three', it HAS done so.

U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe they
either have or are working on Web Services support (I know, for example, that
the DSEngine in DataStage has support for Web Services).

One could argue the need or purpose of supporting certain technologies, and
the level of support currently within the products, but to say that there is
"little/no" support is a bit uninformed.

The U2 products ARE supported in certain "Integration" software.  I wouldn't
typically consider SAP/PeopleSoft "integration" software.  They are Enterprise
Software Suites, but not geared particularly at 'integration'.

However, given that SAP and PeopleSoft OEM the DataStage product sets
for both of their "integration" products (SAP's BW, PeopleSoft's EPM,
JDEdwards stuff as well), and given DataStage works very well with both U2
products, this point is actually wrong.  People who have SAP or PeopleSoft
solutions CAN, very easily, integrate their U2 data to/from those environments.

As to 'efficiency', one can measure that in a variety of different dimensions.
From a memory/disk space/footprint/administrative overhead dimensions, the
U2 database products are VERY efficient.

Finally, as to being "slow", again this depends on the measurement criteria
being used. From the perspective of concurrent user access and the performance
of application style DB usage (largely input/output, multiple concurrent users, etc..),
the U2 products stand up very well to the mainstream guys. For support of VLDB,
highly transactional query-based usage models, and the like, it does not.

Trying to make the U2 products into what they are not is wrong. They are not the
panacea for every database requirement. However, for certain problems, especially
those for which it was designed (embedded database for application development),
it is very efficient.


At 10:24 PM 3/28/2004 -0500, you wrote:
PICK is LEGACY Technology and does NOT Support alot of advanced
level computing we have today. I belive PICK is Similiar to Legacy DB2
that used ISAM type of DataBases Access. Even IBM has moved DB2 (Now UDB)
to a completly relational architecture.

I belive some of the below are good reasons to Migrate to
MainStream (Top 3 - DB2/Oracle/MSSQL etc) Databases.

1. UV has Little/NO support for Emerging Technologies(XML/XQuery/XSLT/WML etc)
2. UV is Not supported in Most Integration Enterprise Software (SAP/PeopleSoft)
3. UV is Not efficient compared to highly evolved databases(DB2/Oracle)
4. UV Folks seem to use PICK, which is Not Compatible with many of
of the Current Advanced Technologies and Techniques.
5. UV is very SLOW, TOO Procedural and Not the right tool for
an OLTP Environment.

It would be nice if IBM provided a Package to convert all UV Stuff to
IBM DB2 and perhaps provide some kinda code converter to convert
all pick stuff to DB2 Stored Procs or Java Native Compiled Procedures.
I belive this would be ideal and would help corportations intergrate
systems easily.

Joe Eugene


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Sent: Sun 3/28/2004 7:59 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing


As the list is closing this is probably not off topic - so I will comment.

I believe PICK has been around since the mid to late 1960's, whereas Oracle
and the SQL relation model has been around only since the mid to late 1970's
early 1980's if you are talking about Oracle etc.

I may be wrong.

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-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:36 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing

Best of luck Jeff, however I will point out the obvious, what is your
definition of modern? I would have thought the good old "relational
databases" have been around since before pick anyway? 8-)


David Logan
Database Administrator
HP Managed Services
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Adelaide 5000

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-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Jeff Ritchie
Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 8:03 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing

Thanks for the memories Cliff :)

Sorry to hear the lists are closing, but what the heck time and tide,
work committments etc.

As some one who is shortly to be ex mv, and moving into the more modern
technologies l will decline the offer to join, but wish the site all the


-----Original Message-----
From: Moderator [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 27 March 2004 7:14 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The lists are closing

Dear Friends:

After 10+ years of either hosting or supporting the info-prime,
info-unidata, info-vmark, info-informix, and u2-users etc lists, I have
decided to shut down the list server.

u2-users and u2-community will cease to exist as of 1 April 2004. IBM is

officially supporting the efforts of the new U2UG.org group. (Yes. I am
a member of the establishing Board of that group. So this is not a
"coup" or Sour Grapes!) If you check out the forums that have been set
up, I think you will will see that they cover everything anyone has
asked for over the years in this group.

I *really* want to encourage ALL of you to come over the the
www.u2ug.org site and support this effort. This is *exactly* what many
of you on this list have wanted over the years. If Not Now, When?

Almost ten years on my Watch. How many years before that on Mike
O'Rear's Watch? In the Net World, this has been a Hell of a good run. (I

just couldn't resist tripping the Net Nanny filters one last time <very
evil grin>)

I'll see all of you on the other media, ok?




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