It's actually not excessive. If you read the manual it says the duplexer is = to 1db loss and you're going to have at least that in the jumpers as well. I however always set the cable loss to zero and do the math for my max EIRP or 18dbm. It's just easier when looking at it to know that there isn't 2 being subtracted somewhere. Even with the losses, we usually are within 1-2db of target and sometimes beat it.
On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > Does UBNT say to use 2db cable loss? that seems a little excessive to me... > > But yeah, I'd say alignment is either a bit off or you have some > obstructions... you should have better signal than that, at that distance. > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on > behalf of Matt Hoppes [[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 12:55 PM > To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Adair Winter > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > Why is that? They are 35dB antennas. > > 17 + 35 - 2 = 50, which is right where we are. > > On 3/26/18 1:17 PM, Adair Winter wrote: > > And it looks like you either have antenna gain set wrong or need to work > > on the alignment, Matt. > > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:01 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Yeah, but you have a much stronger link - you're at -48 with 17dbm > > Tx Power. > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> [[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Matt Hoppes > > [[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>] > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 11:26 AM > > To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Darin Steffl > > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > > > I'm not sure what has been discussed here, but we have 10x going on > this > > link (see picture) > > > > On 3/26/18 11:48 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: > > > Alex, > > > > > > Frequency coordinators are supposed to find you spectrum but at > > the end > > > of the day, it's up to your company to engineer/design the link > > to meet > > > your required signal and bandwidth needs. The manual for the > AF11fx > > > clearly spells out the required signal levels and power levels > > needed to > > > achieve 6x, 8x, 10x modulation schemes. 18db is MAX power that > can be > > > used to achieve 10x for example and then whatever the required > signal > > > level is listed but I don't have it memorized. > > > > > > Sorry to put you on the spot and I don't mean any disrespect but > you > > > guys kind of messed up. Don't rely on frequency coordinators to > > design > > > your links. Only use them to find you spectrum. > > > > > > A 17 mile link in 11ghz should definitely have minimum 3 foot > > antennas > > > on each end but I would plan on using 4 foot antennas to be safe > > if the > > > link is important to you and you want max bandwidth. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, alex phillips > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > > > Yes, this is what I Am concluding as well. I have spoken > with my > > > freq coordinator about making changes to their software that > > > estimates these links to account for this. > > > > > > /*Alex Phillips*/ > > > CEO and General Manager > > > RBNS.net > > > HighSpeedLink.net > > > *540-908-3993 <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* > > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority Conference > > > September 6-8th 2018 > > > #AMP18 > > > @PriorityConf Twitter > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Mathew Howard > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > > > > > Yes, but the bigger problem here, if I'm reading Alex's > > > screenshot correctly, is that this is a 17 mile link > using 2' > > > dishes, and there's a very good chance that there simply > > isn't > > > enough signal for 10X to work. According to airlink, the > > signal > > > should be right on the edge of 10X territory at that > > distance, > > > which those antennas, but in the real world there's a good > > > chance it isn't going to work... and there's certainly no > > fade > > > margin to speak of at 10X. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > *From:* [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > [[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>] on behalf of David Jones > > > [[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>] > > > *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 5:42 AM > > > > > > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > > > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > > > > > I can confirm with Adair > > > > > > in order to get 10x you need TX set at 18 and no auto > > power back > > > off. However you can use the MIMO and Short CP > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > > > I haven't ever been able to get the auto power back > > off to > > > work properly... the first thing I'd try would be to > turn > > > that off and just set the max power to 18dbm... but > the > > > problem is, that when you do that, you're going to > > probably > > > lose too much signal to maintain a 10x link (judging > from > > > the dashboard screenshot). If you go to the latest > beta > > > firmware, you'll probably be able to get 9x working, > > but I > > > suspect the link just isn't going to be able to do > 10x. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > > > *From:* [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > [[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>] on behalf of alex > > > phillips [[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>] > > > *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2018 9:33 AM > > > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > > > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > > > > > Like this? > > > > > > https://i.imgur.com/I23ggVX.png > > > <https://i.imgur.com/I23ggVX.png> > > > > > > > > > That's how we've had it set, and we're still only > > seeing 8x. > > > > > > https://i.imgur.com/18JUkVz.png > > > <https://i.imgur.com/18JUkVz.png> > > > > > > > > > /*Alex Phillips*/ > > > CEO and General Manager > > > RBNS.net > > > HighSpeedLink.net > > > *540-908-3993 <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* > > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority > Conference > > > September 6-8th 2018 > > > #AMP18 > > > @PriorityConf Twitter > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Adair Winter > > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > > > What is your conducted power set to? > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 9:29 AM alex phillips > > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > > > I have it set like the lic says but it wont > hit > > > 10x. Ubnt support suggested reducing power > > and that > > > did not help. > > > > > > /*Alex Phillips*/ > > > CEO and General Manager > > > RBNS.net > > > HighSpeedLink.net > > > *540-908-3993 <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* > > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority > > > Conference > > > September 6-8th 2018 > > > #AMP18 > > > @PriorityConf Twitter > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Seth > Mattinen > > > <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > > > On 3/23/18 7:03 AM, alex phillips wrote: > > > > Can those who use AF11 and are able to > > establish a link a 10x reliably > > > > please share your link information? > > > > > > > > Distance, Dish and power settings. > > > > > > > > > Match your license. 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