Ah yeah, that makes sense... I forget about the duplexer. Not that it really changes anything anyway with these, it'll just throw the signal calculations off a bit. For licensing purposes, I figure you're generally better off erring on the side of higher output power. The AF11 link we have up has always been off by about 5db, and I haven't been able to get it any better after trying to tune it several times, but I think we may have some trees poking a bit into the fresnel zone somewhere in the middle... ________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:45 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x
It's actually not excessive. If you read the manual it says the duplexer is = to 1db loss and you're going to have at least that in the jumpers as well. I however always set the cable loss to zero and do the math for my max EIRP or 18dbm. It's just easier when looking at it to know that there isn't 2 being subtracted somewhere. Even with the losses, we usually are within 1-2db of target and sometimes beat it. On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote: Does UBNT say to use 2db cable loss? that seems a little excessive to me... But yeah, I'd say alignment is either a bit off or you have some obstructions... you should have better signal than that, at that distance. ________________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Matt Hoppes [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 12:55 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Adair Winter Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x Why is that? They are 35dB antennas. 17 + 35 - 2 = 50, which is right where we are. On 3/26/18 1:17 PM, Adair Winter wrote: > And it looks like you either have antenna gain set wrong or need to work > on the alignment, Matt. > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:01 PM Mathew Howard > <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net> > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>>> wrote: > > Yeah, but you have a much stronger link - you're at -48 with 17dbm > Tx Power. > > ________________________________________ > From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> > [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>>] > on behalf of Matt Hoppes > > [mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > > <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 11:26 AM > To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Darin Steffl > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > I'm not sure what has been discussed here, but we have 10x going on this > link (see picture) > > On 3/26/18 11:48 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: > > Alex, > > > > Frequency coordinators are supposed to find you spectrum but at > the end > > of the day, it's up to your company to engineer/design the link > to meet > > your required signal and bandwidth needs. The manual for the AF11fx > > clearly spells out the required signal levels and power levels > needed to > > achieve 6x, 8x, 10x modulation schemes. 18db is MAX power that can be > > used to achieve 10x for example and then whatever the required signal > > level is listed but I don't have it memorized. > > > > Sorry to put you on the spot and I don't mean any disrespect but you > > guys kind of messed up. Don't rely on frequency coordinators to > design > > your links. Only use them to find you spectrum. > > > > A 17 mile link in 11ghz should definitely have minimum 3 foot > antennas > > on each end but I would plan on using 4 foot antennas to be safe > if the > > link is important to you and you want max bandwidth. > > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, alex phillips > <highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > > > Yes, this is what I Am concluding as well. I have spoken with my > > freq coordinator about making changes to their software that > > estimates these links to account for this. > > > > /*Alex Phillips*/ > > CEO and General Manager > > RBNS.net > > HighSpeedLink.net > > *540-908-3993<tel:540-908-3993> <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority Conference > > September 6-8th 2018 > > #AMP18 > > @PriorityConf Twitter > > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Mathew Howard > <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net> > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> > > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net> > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>>>> wrote: > > > > Yes, but the bigger problem here, if I'm reading Alex's > > screenshot correctly, is that this is a 17 mile link using 2' > > dishes, and there's a very good chance that there simply > isn't > > enough signal for 10X to work. According to airlink, the > signal > > should be right on the edge of 10X territory at that > distance, > > which those antennas, but in the real world there's a good > > chance it isn't going to work... and there's certainly no > fade > > margin to speak of at 10X. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* > ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> > > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>>> > > > [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> > > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>>>] > on behalf of David Jones > > [d...@nglconnection.com<mailto:d...@nglconnection.com> > <mailto:d...@nglconnection.com<mailto:d...@nglconnection.com>> > <mailto:d...@nglconnection.com<mailto:d...@nglconnection.com> > <mailto:d...@nglconnection.com<mailto:d...@nglconnection.com>>>] > > *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 5:42 AM > > > > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > > > I can confirm with Adair > > > > in order to get 10x you need TX set at 18 and no auto > power back > > off. However you can use the MIMO and Short CP > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard > > <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net> > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net> > <mailto:mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>>>> wrote: > > > > I haven't ever been able to get the auto power back > off to > > work properly... the first thing I'd try would be to turn > > that off and just set the max power to 18dbm... but the > > problem is, that when you do that, you're going to > probably > > lose too much signal to maintain a 10x link (judging from > > the dashboard screenshot). If you go to the latest beta > > firmware, you'll probably be able to get 9x working, > but I > > suspect the link just isn't going to be able to do 10x. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* > ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> > > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>>> > > > [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>> > > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> > > <mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>>>] > on behalf of alex > > phillips > [highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>>>] > > *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2018 9:33 AM > > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > > > Like this? > > > > https://i.imgur.com/I23ggVX.png > > <https://i.imgur.com/I23ggVX.png> > > > > > > That's how we've had it set, and we're still only > seeing 8x. > > > > https://i.imgur.com/18JUkVz.png > > <https://i.imgur.com/18JUkVz.png> > > > > > > /*Alex Phillips*/ > > CEO and General Manager > > RBNS.net > > HighSpeedLink.net > > *540-908-3993<tel:540-908-3993> <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority Conference > > September 6-8th 2018 > > #AMP18 > > @PriorityConf Twitter > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Adair Winter > > > <ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> > > > <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > > <mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net<mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>>>> > wrote: > > > > What is your conducted power set to? > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 9:29 AM alex phillips > > > <highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com> > <mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com<mailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > > > I have it set like the lic says but it wont hit > > 10x. Ubnt support suggested reducing power > and that > > did not help. > > > > /*Alex Phillips*/ > > CEO and General Manager > > RBNS.net > > HighSpeedLink.net > > *540-908-3993<tel:540-908-3993> > <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority > > Conference > > September 6-8th 2018 > > #AMP18 > > @PriorityConf Twitter > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Seth Mattinen > > <se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > <mailto:se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> > <mailto:se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > <mailto:se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>>>> wrote: > > > > On 3/23/18 7:03 AM, alex phillips wrote: > > > Can those who use AF11 and are able to > establish a link a 10x reliably > > > please share your link information? > > > > > > Distance, Dish and power settings. > > > > > > Match your license. Don't randomly increase > > power, 11GHz travels a long > > way and you can easily interfere with another > > licensee. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > David Jones > > NGL Connection > > 307-288-5491 ext 702<tel:307-288-5491%20ext%20702> > <tel:(307)%20288-5491> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Darin Steffl > > Minnesota WiFi > > www.mnwifi.com<http://www.mnwifi.com> <http://www.mnwifi.com> > <http://www.mnwifi.com/> > > 507-634-WiFi > > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > <mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net<http://www.amarillowireless.net/> [https://docs.google.com/a/amarillowireless.net/uc?id=0B-KeaiwIRBHEQl9leFFvVjZuWmc&export=download]<http://www.amarillowireless.net>
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