While we're on that subject, what dishes are most people using with these? On the link we have up, we have Jirous, and I was considering using those for our next couple of links as well... mainly because they're physically a fair amount smaller than the ubnt dishes (and I'm assuming quite a bit less wind load), but also because it would seem easier to adapt other radios to them later, if we need more capacity. Any thoughts on that?
________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of Adair Winter [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:55 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x We noticed the Jirous 2' antenna is not that good and will be further off than the UBNT dishes. the Jirous 3' and 4' dishes seem to be much better. On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ah yeah, that makes sense... I forget about the duplexer. Not that it really changes anything anyway with these, it'll just throw the signal calculations off a bit. For licensing purposes, I figure you're generally better off erring on the side of higher output power. The AF11 link we have up has always been off by about 5db, and I haven't been able to get it any better after trying to tune it several times, but I think we may have some trees poking a bit into the fresnel zone somewhere in the middle... ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Adair Winter [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:45 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x It's actually not excessive. If you read the manual it says the duplexer is = to 1db loss and you're going to have at least that in the jumpers as well. I however always set the cable loss to zero and do the math for my max EIRP or 18dbm. It's just easier when looking at it to know that there isn't 2 being subtracted somewhere. Even with the losses, we usually are within 1-2db of target and sometimes beat it. On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Does UBNT say to use 2db cable loss? that seems a little excessive to me... But yeah, I'd say alignment is either a bit off or you have some obstructions... you should have better signal than that, at that distance. ________________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Matt Hoppes [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 12:55 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Adair Winter Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x Why is that? They are 35dB antennas. 17 + 35 - 2 = 50, which is right where we are. On 3/26/18 1:17 PM, Adair Winter wrote: > And it looks like you either have antenna gain set wrong or need to work > on the alignment, Matt. > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 12:01 PM Mathew Howard > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > Yeah, but you have a much stronger link - you're at -48 with 17dbm > Tx Power. > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] > on behalf of Matt Hoppes > > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 11:26 AM > To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Darin Steffl > Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > I'm not sure what has been discussed here, but we have 10x going on this > link (see picture) > > On 3/26/18 11:48 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: > > Alex, > > > > Frequency coordinators are supposed to find you spectrum but at > the end > > of the day, it's up to your company to engineer/design the link > to meet > > your required signal and bandwidth needs. The manual for the AF11fx > > clearly spells out the required signal levels and power levels > needed to > > achieve 6x, 8x, 10x modulation schemes. 18db is MAX power that can be > > used to achieve 10x for example and then whatever the required signal > > level is listed but I don't have it memorized. > > > > Sorry to put you on the spot and I don't mean any disrespect but you > > guys kind of messed up. Don't rely on frequency coordinators to > design > > your links. Only use them to find you spectrum. > > > > A 17 mile link in 11ghz should definitely have minimum 3 foot > antennas > > on each end but I would plan on using 4 foot antennas to be safe > if the > > link is important to you and you want max bandwidth. > > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, alex phillips > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: > > > > Yes, this is what I Am concluding as well. I have spoken with my > > freq coordinator about making changes to their software that > > estimates these links to account for this. > > > > /*Alex Phillips*/ > > CEO and General Manager > > RBNS.net > > HighSpeedLink.net > > *540-908-3993<tel:540-908-3993> <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority Conference > > September 6-8th 2018 > > #AMP18 > > @PriorityConf Twitter > > > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Mathew Howard > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: > > > > Yes, but the bigger problem here, if I'm reading Alex's > > screenshot correctly, is that this is a 17 mile link using 2' > > dishes, and there's a very good chance that there simply > isn't > > enough signal for 10X to work. According to airlink, the > signal > > should be right on the edge of 10X territory at that > distance, > > which those antennas, but in the real world there's a good > > chance it isn't going to work... and there's certainly no > fade > > margin to speak of at 10X. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>] > on behalf of David Jones > > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>] > > *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 5:42 AM > > > > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > > > I can confirm with Adair > > > > in order to get 10x you need TX set at 18 and no auto > power back > > off. However you can use the MIMO and Short CP > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:05 AM, Mathew Howard > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: > > > > I haven't ever been able to get the auto power back > off to > > work properly... the first thing I'd try would be to turn > > that off and just set the max power to 18dbm... but the > > problem is, that when you do that, you're going to > probably > > lose too much signal to maintain a 10x link (judging from > > the dashboard screenshot). If you go to the latest beta > > firmware, you'll probably be able to get 9x working, > but I > > suspect the link just isn't going to be able to do 10x. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>] > on behalf of alex > > phillips > [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>] > > *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2018 9:33 AM > > *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11 10x > > > > Like this? > > > > https://i.imgur.com/I23ggVX.png > > <https://i.imgur.com/I23ggVX.png> > > > > > > That's how we've had it set, and we're still only > seeing 8x. > > > > https://i.imgur.com/18JUkVz.png > > <https://i.imgur.com/18JUkVz.png> > > > > > > /*Alex Phillips*/ > > CEO and General Manager > > RBNS.net > > HighSpeedLink.net > > *540-908-3993<tel:540-908-3993> <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority Conference > > September 6-8th 2018 > > #AMP18 > > @PriorityConf Twitter > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Adair Winter > > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>> > wrote: > > > > What is your conducted power set to? > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 9:29 AM alex phillips > > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: > > > > I have it set like the lic says but it wont hit > > 10x. Ubnt support suggested reducing power > and that > > did not help. > > > > /*Alex Phillips*/ > > CEO and General Manager > > RBNS.net > > HighSpeedLink.net > > *540-908-3993<tel:540-908-3993> > <tel:(540)%20908-3993>* > > Co-Host AmericanPriority.com American Priority > > Conference > > September 6-8th 2018 > > #AMP18 > > @PriorityConf Twitter > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Seth Mattinen > > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: > > > > On 3/23/18 7:03 AM, alex phillips wrote: > > > Can those who use AF11 and are able to > establish a link a 10x reliably > > > please share your link information? > > > > > > Distance, Dish and power settings. > > > > > > Match your license. Don't randomly increase > > power, 11GHz travels a long > > way and you can easily interfere with another > > licensee. > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > David Jones > > NGL Connection > > 307-288-5491 ext 702<tel:307-288-5491%20ext%20702> > <tel:(307)%20288-5491> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > <http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Darin Steffl > > Minnesota WiFi > > www.mnwifi.com<http://www.mnwifi.com> <http://www.mnwifi.com> > <http://www.mnwifi.com/> > > 507-634-WiFi > > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ubnt_users mailing list > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ubnt_users mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users > _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071<tel:(806)%20316-5071> C: 806.231.7180<tel:(806)%20231-7180> http://www.amarillowireless.net<http://www.amarillowireless.net/> [https://docs.google.com/a/amarillowireless.net/uc?id=0B-KeaiwIRBHEQl9leFFvVjZuWmc&export=download]<http://www.amarillowireless.net> _______________________________________________ Ubnt_users mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net<http://www.amarillowireless.net/> [https://docs.google.com/a/amarillowireless.net/uc?id=0B-KeaiwIRBHEQl9leFFvVjZuWmc&export=download]<http://www.amarillowireless.net>
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