join On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Robert Klaar <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Scott Lavender <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Robert Klaar <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, either way you risk loosing supporters but in my opinion it's much >>> worse to risk being outdated than getting a bit of disruption for some >>> time(and I can't see how this can get so disruptive to a serious >>> producer/artist that it get's such a big problem, but this is just my >>> opinion). >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users >>> >> Hi Robert! >> >> I have a question about this statement...Why do you think XFCE is >> "outdated"? >> >> I think XFCE can look *quite* nice. I've quickly found and linked a >> screen shot to demonstrate. [1] > > I wouldn't say that Xfce is outdated, I was just trying to say that the > concept might be outdated and that a change like this in my opinion seems > pretty ok, to me it seems like Gnome 3 is getting a lot of heat for nothing, > most things still seems to be avaliable, but I'm not using things like > applets either so maybe I'm missing something that's vital to some. >> >> I'm not sure I agree with your assertion about disrupting a serious >> producer/artist however. Just changing the UI to the point where a person's >> comfortable and favoured workflow will not work would cause quite a >> reaction. I don't want to imagine the reaction if we switched to something >> that was buggy where we lost functionality or it crashed often. > > Yes, but I don't think that's going to be the case. However this might > depend on what kind of user you are and again this should be based on what > users US is trying to attract. Personally I would say that I'm somewhat in > between, I've been using linux on and of since 2005 and I know my way around > it, but I'm also more of an artist really than a programmer and find that > many times these two collide. Say, I'm setting up my connections for jack > and get really technical about this stuff, I like to get it to run smoothly, > connect stuff via. jackeq so that I can have individual volume controls > between say a sampler and my web-browser, all this is nice but has nothing > to do with me actually making any music. These examples aren't really > problems but say perhaps that I need to get an rt-kernel installed because > my computer is to slow , in theory this is simple and mostly it is but from > experience I seem to encounter at least a dozen of problems related to > something in my "music-making" chain of programs. My geeky side doesn't mind > fixing these issues but at the same time they take away a lot of time that > could be spent making music. > But that's me, and then we have those who like to get very technical(maybe > your average Linux user perhaps) that spend decades configuring and > customizing, and to them it's not so much about making music/art as to the > many ways it can be made. However, I think most artists is neither of the > above. What these people wan't is to have something that looks nice and > inspiring, something that's stable and something that's pretty advanced so > that they can focus on their music/art instead of having to spend a day > configuring first. > And this, I think, is the direction Ubuntu and US HAS been taking for the > past year at least, and I do like this a lot as I'm sure others of the above > group do as well. This was also something that I felt had been taken further > when testing Gnome 3 and I think reverting to Xfce would be, in this sense, > taking a step back. I think US has become more than just a system for people > with lot's of knowledge in linux, computers in general and who think that > people that use A.) Macs are hipsters B.) Windows are stupid. > But I guess this is all about who we're trying to reach and if we're not > trying to attract these people but "people who're already used to Linux and > ALSO like to make music/other forms of art then maybe switching to Xfce is > exactly what's best. > Best, > Robert K >> >> >> Cheers, >> ScottL >> >> [1] http://labor-liber.org/images/linux/xfce.jpg >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users >> > > > -- > Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > >
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