So let me get this straight. Instead of counting sheep, Ran was up past 3:00 a.m. applying complex equations to his game collection only to conclude that he prefers higher rated games over lower rated ones.
Genius! :) On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Sylvus <[email protected]> wrote: > > So… here is the difference in being the kind of person that suffers > from the “cult of the new” syndrome. I actually OWN 50 games that > qualify under Ran’s system to be considered “guaranteed bad” (Bayesian > rating < 6.5 and average rating < 7.0). Due to being a bit of a > collector I would consider any game in which I have rated a 7 or > higher to be a keeper and I probably wouldn’t mind trading the > others. Of those 50 games only 5 fall within my “keep” zone. > > Shocking Roulette 7 > Buccaneer 7 > Poison 7 > Ticket to Ride: Mystery Train Expansion 7 > Cutthroat Caverns 7 > > I have only two games that land with a Bayesian of < 6.5 and an > average > 7.0 and those are: > > Ace of Aces - Handy Rotary Deluxe Edition 6 6.12468 > 7.06841 > Cutthroat Caverns: Deeper & Darker 6 6.26582 > 7.27587 > > I own 124 games that all average 6.5 or greater on the Bayesian. So > next I figured I would see the ones that rated 6 or below for ME and > that I wouldn’t mind trading away. That came to a total of 37 games. > > Mystery of the Abbey 5 ** > Space Dealer 5 > The Settlers of Catan Card Game 5 > Dungeon Twister 5 ** > Leonardo da Vinci 5 > Attika 5 > Carcassonne 5 > Saboteur 6 ** > Hoity Toity 6 > Tempus 6 > Niagara 6 ** > Felix: The Cat in the Sack 6 > O Zoo le Mio 6 ** > Wasabi! 6 > Star Wars: Epic Duels 6 * > Bang! 6 ** > A Touch of Evil, The Supernatural Game 6 > Cleopatra and the Society of Architects 6 ** > Lord of the Rings 6 > Mykerinos 6 > Hey! That's My Fish! 6 ** > Arkadia 6 > Hacienda 6 > Nexus Ops 6 > Santiago 6 > Shadows over Camelot 6 ** > Lost Cities 6 ** > Maharaja: Palace Building in India 6 > Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation 6 > Hive 6 > Ticket to Ride: Marklin Edition 6 > In the Year of the Dragon 6 > Notre Dame 6 > The Settlers of Catan 6 ** > Twilight Imperium 3rd Edition 6 > Railroad Tycoon 6 ** > Caylus 6 > Tigris & Euphrates 6 > > ** Games I would still keep due to being a "game > evangelist" (explained later) > * Games I would keep simply due to collectibility > > That leaves me with 76 games that have a Bayesian of 6.5 or greater > and that I rate a 7 or above. How depressing to realize that I out of > 176 games I really only consider 43% of them as keepers. Ah well – I > suppose that is what is to be expected from someone that suffers from > my affliction. > > The only unique part to my scenario is that I consider myself a game > evangelist – which means that although I may not personally LIKE some > of the games in my collection I actually keep them there so that I can > entertain others that probably wouldn’t enjoy ANYTHING I consider to > be a 7 or above. I am not particular to party games but I have > several for those that enjoy the lighter side. > > Interesting exercise Ran. Thanks. > > > On Jul 15, 7:21 am, Sylvus <[email protected]> wrote: > > ROFL - OK I need an hour to go through all this and then I will > > comment ;) > > > > On Jul 15, 2:27 am, Ran <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I've decided that a BGG rating (Bayesian rating) below 6.5 means the > > > game is Bad. This is becoming a hard and fast rule for me. > > > > > If a game I'm interested in has a low rating (near 6.5), I consult the > > > average rating. If the average rating is below 7, it is a virtual > > > certainty that the game is Bad. Bad means I wouldn't want to own it > > > and would rarely want to play it. > > > > > That's all I really wanted to say. The rest of this post is a result > > > of having way too much time on my hands. If anyone has any idea what > > > this little analysis says about my game preferences, I'm all ears... > > > > > *************************************** > > > > > I have exactly two games in my collection that fall into the category > > > of (BGG < 6.5, AVG > 7): The Settlers of Zarahemla and Boggle Master. > > > I keep the first just because I'm Mormon and I keep the second because > > > I loved it as a kid, excel at it, it's impossible to trade away and > > > impossible to replace. (Settlers may be growing on me, but I'm not > > > interested enough to find out. My last play was enjoyable, though.) > > > > > Here are the Bad games that I own or have owned: > > > > > Pick Picknic 6.48 > > > Money! 6.47 > > > Quo Vadis? 6.45 > > > Boggle Master 6.43 > > > The Settlers of Zarahemla 6.42 > > > Pickomino 6.38 > > > Gavitt's Stock Exchange (aka Pit) 6.34 > > > Cave Troll 6.29 > > > Goldbräu 6.29 > > > Winds Of Plunder 6.28 > > > Loot 6.27 > > > Oshi 5.87 > > > Oriente 5.74 > > > Reiner Knizia's Amazing Flea Circus 5.73 > > > Covert Action 5.58 > > > DareBase 5.51 > > > Vantage 5.42 > > > Skip-bo 5.16 > > > Checkers 4.81 > > > > > Of these, there are 3 games with BGG < 6.5 + AVG < 7 that I *might* > > > miss if I were the victim of a fire: Cave Troll, Money!, and Loot > > > (only good with teams (6/8 players)). I got rid of Cave Troll because > > > I couldn't stomach the theme (I like fantasy, but it embarrasses me). > > > Settlers and Boggle have AVG > 7. > > > > > * I brought Checkers back from a visit to my parents' because it just > > > seems like something gamers should have (like a Chess set, which I > > > don't own and probably never will, so go figure). It's a nice-ish > > > wooden set that my dad's bank gave to him. Last time I played Checkers > > > was with my niece 2(?) years ago. Before that, who knows. > > > * I was introduced to Skip-bo on the mission and bought it at some > > > point, but have probably never played it since then. > > > * Vantage is a throw-back to when I was 10 or something (yes, my copy > > > is that old). I've never played it. It's inconceivable to me that this > > > rates higher than Skip-bo. (It's from the makers of UNO!) > > > * DareBase was a gift from the designer. I've never played it. > > > * I bought Pit, Oriente, and Covert Action to try to accommodate large > > > groups, but have since decided that the goal is silly (and these games > > > pretty much suck anyway). I really would like to design a decent game > > > for use with the Oriente materials though. > > > * I got Amazing Flea Circus and Pickomino to play with my nieces, but > > > they were too young. > > > * I bought Quo Vadis? knowing I don't like it because it was a good > > > deal (and regret it anyway). > > > > > Here are the Not Bad games that I've (played) and have traded or would > > > rather not own: > > > > > Tigris & Euphrates 7.96 (4) > > > Race for the Galaxy 7.90 (3) > > > Pandemic 7.70 (2) > > > Taj Mahal 7.46 (3) > > > Citadels 7.26 (5) > > > Thebes 7.25 (7) > > > For Sale 7.17 (4) > > > Vegas Showdown 7.17 (1) > > > Tinner's Trail 7.16 (1) > > > Caylus Magna Carta 7.07 (4) > > > China 7.04 (4) > > > Arkadia 6.99 (1) > > > Hansa 6.97 (5) > > > Meuterer 6.96 (2) > > > Odin's Ravens 6.64 (4) > > > Phoenicia 6.61 (2) > > > Gheos 6.51 (4) > > > > > The odd-ball of this group is Taj Mahal, which I'm not a fan of, but > > > seem to be developing a soft spot for. If I have another enjoyable > > > play of it, it'll almost certainly come off this list. And on that > > > same note, Lost Cities would have appeared on this list right up until > > > my very last play of it. Most of the rest on this list either started > > > badly (Citadels, Pandemic, Arkadia) or seemed to get worse with each > > > play. > > > > > Of this group, there are 4 that I more or less like as games (don't > > > seem to get worse anyway), but rarely make the cut at play time: > > > Thebes (too random), Hansa (too chaotic), Odin's Ravens (two players > > > and too long), and Gheos (too hard to explain/remember rules). > > > > > And here are the Not Bad games that I have played and am happy to own: > > > > > Brass 7.88 > > > Ra 7.68 > > > Imperial 7.67 > > > Steam 7.49 > > > Struggle of Empires 7.48 > > > Hollywood Blockbuster 7.18 (The presentation really bothers me.) > > > Lost Cities 7.18 > > > Nexus Ops 7.11 > > > Hacienda 7.02 > > > In the Shadow of the Emperor 6.95 > > > No Thanks! 6.94 > > > Perikles 6.87 > > > The Ark of the Covenant 6.85 > > > Oltre Mare 6.73 > > > Scripts and Scribes 6.72 > > > Die Sieben Siegel 6.71 > > > Risk 2210 A.D. 6.62 (I'm happy to have this only as a hook for people > > > who know Risk, but I never really want to play Risk for its own sake. > > > I think I'd rather have Risk Revised to fill this niche, but whatever, > > > my timing was off.) > > > King of Siam 6.62 (This one is borderline and hard to get played, so I > > > may trade it anyway.) > > > The Battle for Hill 218 6.55 > > > > > And finally, here are the Not Bad games that I own and have not played > > > (but expect to like): > > > > > Memoir '44 7.50 (I may like this, but I expect to trade it anyway > > > unless it's super duper) > > > Tower of Babel 6.69 > > > After the Flood 6.61 > > > > > Here are games I've played and would like to own: > > > > > Automobile 7.22 > > > Vikings 7.20 > > > Snow Tails 6.90 > > > Stephenson's Rocket 6.83 > > > League of Six 6.65 > > > > > And here is a rundown of games I have played taken from the first 4 > > > pages of ranked games on BGG, separated into two groups. I think the > > > best way to interpret this is to say that if these games were gifted > > > to me, I'd be inclined to keep the first group and trade the second > > > group. But I'm not in a hurry to own any of them. > > > > > Notre Dame > > > In the Year of the Dragon > > > Medici > > > The End of the Triumvirate > > > Chicago Express > > > Puerto Rico > > > Twilight Struggle > > > Dominion > > > Goa > > > Stone Age > > > Age of Empires 3 > > > Small World/Vinci > > > Samurai > > > Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation > > > Acquire > > > Amun-Re > > > Battlestar Galactica > > > Roborally > > > Yspahan > > > Cuba > > > Bohnanza > > > Santiago > > > Domaine > > > Keythedral > > > Coloretto > > > Ys > > > Manila > > > Aladdin's Dragons > > > Showmanager > > > Survive! (nostalgia) > > > Roll Through the Ages > > > Ubongo > > > Nefertiti > > > Can't Stop > > > Witch's Brew > > > Tumblin-Dice > > > Jamaica > > > A Castle for All Seasons (borderline) > > > Cold War: CIA vs. KGB > > > > > La Citta > > > Colosseum > > > Shogun/Wallenstein > > > Space Alert > > > Eketorp > > > Princes of Florence > > > Mr. Jack > > > Agricola > > > Power Grid > > > Caylus > > > 1960 > > > Reef Encounter > > > Saint Petersburg > > > Hive > > > Antiquity > > > Ticket to Ride > > > Battle Line > > > Modern Art > > > Through the Desert (borderline) > > > Blokus > > > Thurn & Taxis > > > Louis XIV > > > Last Night on Earth > > > Antike > > > Kingsburg > > > Manoeuvre > > > Alhambra > > > Attika > > > Hamburgum > > > Formula Dé > > > Zooloretto > > > Wits & Wagers > > > Ingenious > > > A Game of Thrones > > > Leonardo da Vinci > > > Dungeon Twister > > > The Settlers of Catan Card Game > > > Winner's Circle > > > Metropolys > > > Ricochet Robots > > > Edel, Stein & Reich > > > Container > > > Conquest of the Empire > > > Wyatt Earp > > > A Touch of Evil, The Supernatural Game > > > High Society > > > Fairy Tale > > > Ca$h 'n Gun$ > > > Bang! > > > Diamant > > > Cartagena > > > Turn The Tide > > > Mall of Horror > > > Age of Conan: The Strategy Board Game > > > O Zoo le Mio > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "utah county boardgamers association" group. 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