I don't know what to say, when I cannot sleep last night and went down to my computer and find this longish email on my inbox...
Ran at work in the early hours of the morning 3:27 am to be exact :) While my sleeping situation is not better than his, wild awake even a 4:00am in the morning, I don't think I have the heart, energy and mind to do this :) So I admire Ran's effort and truly salute to the time he spend on this email. It can tell how much we rely on rating a BGG. Did rating sell games? Which one to trust, Bayesian or average? Did Ran like higher rating games? If the game has a very high rating like Agricola, will Ran like it? What is the possibility of Ran liking a game corresponding to the ratings on BGG? Those are truly more intuitive question to answer :) Anyway, 3 cheers to Ran :) And you can tell by this email, I am lack of sleep too :) --- Ken --- On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:27 AM, Ran <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've decided that a BGG rating (Bayesian rating) below 6.5 means the > game is Bad. This is becoming a hard and fast rule for me. > > If a game I'm interested in has a low rating (near 6.5), I consult the > average rating. If the average rating is below 7, it is a virtual > certainty that the game is Bad. Bad means I wouldn't want to own it > and would rarely want to play it. > > That's all I really wanted to say. The rest of this post is a result > of having way too much time on my hands. If anyone has any idea what > this little analysis says about my game preferences, I'm all ears... > > *************************************** > > I have exactly two games in my collection that fall into the category > of (BGG < 6.5, AVG > 7): The Settlers of Zarahemla and Boggle Master. > I keep the first just because I'm Mormon and I keep the second because > I loved it as a kid, excel at it, it's impossible to trade away and > impossible to replace. (Settlers may be growing on me, but I'm not > interested enough to find out. My last play was enjoyable, though.) > > > Here are the Bad games that I own or have owned: > > Pick Picknic 6.48 > Money! 6.47 > Quo Vadis? 6.45 > Boggle Master 6.43 > The Settlers of Zarahemla 6.42 > Pickomino 6.38 > Gavitt's Stock Exchange (aka Pit) 6.34 > Cave Troll 6.29 > Goldbräu 6.29 > Winds Of Plunder 6.28 > Loot 6.27 > Oshi 5.87 > Oriente 5.74 > Reiner Knizia's Amazing Flea Circus 5.73 > Covert Action 5.58 > DareBase 5.51 > Vantage 5.42 > Skip-bo 5.16 > Checkers 4.81 > > Of these, there are 3 games with BGG < 6.5 + AVG < 7 that I *might* > miss if I were the victim of a fire: Cave Troll, Money!, and Loot > (only good with teams (6/8 players)). I got rid of Cave Troll because > I couldn't stomach the theme (I like fantasy, but it embarrasses me). > Settlers and Boggle have AVG > 7. > > * I brought Checkers back from a visit to my parents' because it just > seems like something gamers should have (like a Chess set, which I > don't own and probably never will, so go figure). It's a nice-ish > wooden set that my dad's bank gave to him. Last time I played Checkers > was with my niece 2(?) years ago. Before that, who knows. > * I was introduced to Skip-bo on the mission and bought it at some > point, but have probably never played it since then. > * Vantage is a throw-back to when I was 10 or something (yes, my copy > is that old). I've never played it. It's inconceivable to me that this > rates higher than Skip-bo. (It's from the makers of UNO!) > * DareBase was a gift from the designer. I've never played it. > * I bought Pit, Oriente, and Covert Action to try to accommodate large > groups, but have since decided that the goal is silly (and these games > pretty much suck anyway). I really would like to design a decent game > for use with the Oriente materials though. > * I got Amazing Flea Circus and Pickomino to play with my nieces, but > they were too young. > * I bought Quo Vadis? knowing I don't like it because it was a good > deal (and regret it anyway). > > > Here are the Not Bad games that I've (played) and have traded or would > rather not own: > > Tigris & Euphrates 7.96 (4) > Race for the Galaxy 7.90 (3) > Pandemic 7.70 (2) > Taj Mahal 7.46 (3) > Citadels 7.26 (5) > Thebes 7.25 (7) > For Sale 7.17 (4) > Vegas Showdown 7.17 (1) > Tinner's Trail 7.16 (1) > Caylus Magna Carta 7.07 (4) > China 7.04 (4) > Arkadia 6.99 (1) > Hansa 6.97 (5) > Meuterer 6.96 (2) > Odin's Ravens 6.64 (4) > Phoenicia 6.61 (2) > Gheos 6.51 (4) > > The odd-ball of this group is Taj Mahal, which I'm not a fan of, but > seem to be developing a soft spot for. If I have another enjoyable > play of it, it'll almost certainly come off this list. And on that > same note, Lost Cities would have appeared on this list right up until > my very last play of it. Most of the rest on this list either started > badly (Citadels, Pandemic, Arkadia) or seemed to get worse with each > play. > > Of this group, there are 4 that I more or less like as games (don't > seem to get worse anyway), but rarely make the cut at play time: > Thebes (too random), Hansa (too chaotic), Odin's Ravens (two players > and too long), and Gheos (too hard to explain/remember rules). > > > And here are the Not Bad games that I have played and am happy to own: > > Brass 7.88 > Ra 7.68 > Imperial 7.67 > Steam 7.49 > Struggle of Empires 7.48 > Hollywood Blockbuster 7.18 (The presentation really bothers me.) > Lost Cities 7.18 > Nexus Ops 7.11 > Hacienda 7.02 > In the Shadow of the Emperor 6.95 > No Thanks! 6.94 > Perikles 6.87 > The Ark of the Covenant 6.85 > Oltre Mare 6.73 > Scripts and Scribes 6.72 > Die Sieben Siegel 6.71 > Risk 2210 A.D. 6.62 (I'm happy to have this only as a hook for people > who know Risk, but I never really want to play Risk for its own sake. > I think I'd rather have Risk Revised to fill this niche, but whatever, > my timing was off.) > King of Siam 6.62 (This one is borderline and hard to get played, so I > may trade it anyway.) > The Battle for Hill 218 6.55 > > > And finally, here are the Not Bad games that I own and have not played > (but expect to like): > > Memoir '44 7.50 (I may like this, but I expect to trade it anyway > unless it's super duper) > Tower of Babel 6.69 > After the Flood 6.61 > > > Here are games I've played and would like to own: > > Automobile 7.22 > Vikings 7.20 > Snow Tails 6.90 > Stephenson's Rocket 6.83 > League of Six 6.65 > > > > And here is a rundown of games I have played taken from the first 4 > pages of ranked games on BGG, separated into two groups. I think the > best way to interpret this is to say that if these games were gifted > to me, I'd be inclined to keep the first group and trade the second > group. But I'm not in a hurry to own any of them. > > Notre Dame > In the Year of the Dragon > Medici > The End of the Triumvirate > Chicago Express > Puerto Rico > Twilight Struggle > Dominion > Goa > Stone Age > Age of Empires 3 > Small World/Vinci > Samurai > Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation > Acquire > Amun-Re > Battlestar Galactica > Roborally > Yspahan > Cuba > Bohnanza > Santiago > Domaine > Keythedral > Coloretto > Ys > Manila > Aladdin's Dragons > Showmanager > Survive! (nostalgia) > Roll Through the Ages > Ubongo > Nefertiti > Can't Stop > Witch's Brew > Tumblin-Dice > Jamaica > A Castle for All Seasons (borderline) > Cold War: CIA vs. KGB > > > La Citta > Colosseum > Shogun/Wallenstein > Space Alert > Eketorp > Princes of Florence > Mr. Jack > Agricola > Power Grid > Caylus > 1960 > Reef Encounter > Saint Petersburg > Hive > Antiquity > Ticket to Ride > Battle Line > Modern Art > Through the Desert (borderline) > Blokus > Thurn & Taxis > Louis XIV > Last Night on Earth > Antike > Kingsburg > Manoeuvre > Alhambra > Attika > Hamburgum > Formula Dé > Zooloretto > Wits & Wagers > Ingenious > A Game of Thrones > Leonardo da Vinci > Dungeon Twister > The Settlers of Catan Card Game > Winner's Circle > Metropolys > Ricochet Robots > Edel, Stein & Reich > Container > Conquest of the Empire > Wyatt Earp > A Touch of Evil, The Supernatural Game > High Society > Fairy Tale > Ca$h 'n Gun$ > Bang! > Diamant > Cartagena > Turn The Tide > Mall of Horror > Age of Conan: The Strategy Board Game > O Zoo le Mio > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "utah county boardgamers association" group. 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