Mulindwa:
The beauty with FREEDOM is that each and every person is free with liberty to say whatever they want to say and post it on this forum. It is such uncritical thinking and reasoning that Museveni feeds on. For example what makes one think that I think that Uganda Districts are at war between each other?? Who said Bunyoro's problem today is Busoga?? Who said that West Nile is in confrontation with Lango?? Why can't districts be put on a round table when they are not at log-heads?? And Uganda districts are not at war but discussing issues at a round table is not bad because it is needed. (Democratic - through public concensus, Cultural - through traditional customs and norms) That's what they exactly mean. No, Buganda is not at war with West Nile for West Nile girls do not kneel down when they are greeting people yet Baganda girls do. So, I would want to put these regions (W.Nile & Buganda) on a
round
table to discuss issues of the federation.
Read this one --- "Political parties should contest in regional politics (democratic) and traditional / cultural posts should be left to be set through traditional customs and norms. The separation of democratic politics from cultural politics should emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other get intertwined, They'll have to be separated, written in the law of the land." --- What exactly does this sentence mean?? I means exactly what it says, read it again.
Does it sound like? -- "We have allot of unknowns that we know we do not know whether we know them, but when we know what we do not know we will tell you when we know what we do not know". This is the kind of uncritical thinking Museveni is feeding on.
How can you get an entity in Uganda which runs the political arena and the cultural arena at the same time? Look "Separation of democratic politics from cultural politics should be emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other get intertwined" So am I to understand that the intertwining of Buganda cultural and political matters have tought us nothing so far, or it is me on dope? -- INTERTWINING as in working together on some issues that require both collaborations. Eg. Buganda politicians giving some advise to Buganda cultural politicians.
And how do you separate regional and national politics by law, "By law" yet at times it will be intertwined? -- By Law regional politics will be separated from national politics, and YES at times it will be INTERTWINED meaning, working together towards a common goal. Eg, Bunyoro MPs bring Bunyoro (regional) issues which are affecting them to the National table (parliament) for discussion. Do some critical thinking, Mulindwa.
Are we talking about federalism here of feudalism?? --- We are talking about federalism (democratic) and (cultural). Do some critical thinking here, Mulindwa.
It is such nonsense that has become Museveni's daily food bank, for on such suggestions he plans a round table to make Districts make a workable setting. --- You are the only person who thinks and believes that Mu7 is planning on putting districts on a round table to make a workable setting. It is these same brains like Mulindwas that are today jumping with hoofs for Museveni wants to discuss the opening up of party politics. When will you ever learn Ugandans (Mulindwa)?? --- I don't even think Mu7 has ever discussed anything with people, he is a dictator. He dictates. Mulindwa, where have you been??
For the record districts sit on a table to discuss how to use their resources if Federalism is introduced. Uganda's districts have no resources what so ever, everything has been grandly looted to the extent that even Kilembe mines has been closed. The entire north has been shut down for ages. --- We need to activate the North by allowing taxes collected in the North be put to reconstruct the North. More than half of Buganda's land has been sold to the Boers. What is it that is going to be put on the table to negotiate with?? --- That is why we need to introduce Federalism right now to curb more resource plendering that has hit our country ever since Unitarism was introduced.
What we need in uganda is leadership, we need a government, we need to start, we need to put our people back in homes. --- How are we going to do all this without a system?? The Rule of the Law - & - Federalism shall be used as a form of governance to get us started, and put our people back in homes.
And Zakoomu is a classic example of how much Federalists hate Northern Uganda and Northerners, for there is no way any body with a brain of a pea size, can decide to make Northern Uganda a federal State today. --- I think this is the time to make regions in the north federal states today. These are people who have been destroyed by their government, it has been a government policy to destroy the North, these people have not slept in homes for 20 years, and the only way North can get on their feet both financially and psychologically is by being up lifted by the rest of the entire nation. --- Who said that Federalism is not going to help up lift the North?? This is the kind of misinformation Mu7 is using to fool people like Mulindwa. it is sad that the federalists want to abandon Northern Uganda to its own. --- No b
ody
wants to abandon Northern Uganda. It is unrealistic for Mulindwa to think that Unitarism is going to make all taxes collected in Uganda be pulled into the North, for Unitarism is pulling most taxes into Kampala. That is why Federalism is the KEY because it allows for the taxes collected in the North stay over there, and on top of that equalization grants from the National treasurely towards the North. -- But does someone with a pea sized brain like Mulindwa think about that??
But hey what do you expect from a bunch of people who have a philosophy based on miss information and disinformation, being fade on a society of the Zakoomu's who are un critical thinkers? --- What does anyone expect from a bunch of people who have a philosophy based on miss information and disinformation, being fade on a society of the Mulindwa's who are un critical thinkers??
It sucks trust me. And we might be quite but we are watching, be ware.
It sucks trust me, I know. And we might be quite but we are watching, be aware. I can not stand uncritical thinkers like Mulindwa.
Zakoomu R.
Mulindwa Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You know a good bunch of postings in this forum are not worth the time to respond, but this one surely deserves a second. You see it is such uncritical thinking and reasoning that Museveni feeds on. For example what makes one think that Uganda Districts are at war between each other? is Bunyoro's problem today Busoga? Is West Nile in confrontation with Lango? You can not put districts on a round table unless they are at log-heads. And Uganda districts are not. (Democratic and Cultural) What does that exactly mean? Is Buganda at war with West Nile for West Nile girls do not kneel down when they are greeting people yet Baganda girls do? So you want to put these two districts at a round table to discuss their differences?Red this one " Political parties should contest in regional politics (democratic) and traditional / cultural posts should be left to be set through traditional customs and norms. The separation of democratic politics from cultural politics should emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other get intertwined, They'll have to be separated, written in the law of the land." What exactly does that sentence mean? sounds like "We have allot of unknowns that we know we do not know whether we know them, but when we know what we do not know we will tell you when we know what we do not know" Huh? How can you get an entity in Uganda which runs the political arena and the cultural arena at the same time? Look "Separation of democratic politics from cultural politics should be emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other get intertwined" So am I to understand that the intertwining of Buganda cultural and political matters have tought us nothing so far, or it is me on dope? And how do you separate regional and national politics by law, "By law" yet at times it will be intertwined?Are we talking about federalism here or feudalism?It is such nonsense that has become Museveni's daily food bank, for on such suggestions he plans a round table to make Districts make a workable setting. It is these same brains that are today jumping with hoofs for Museveni wants to discuss the opening up of party politics. When will you ever learn Ugandans?For the record districts sit on a table to discuss how to use their resources if Federalism is introduced. Uganda's districts have no resources what so ever, everything has been grandly looted to the extent that even Kilembe mines has been closed. The entire north has been shut down for ages. More than half of Buganda's land has been sold to the Boers. What is it that is going to be put on the table to negotiate with? What we need in uganda is leadership, we need a government, we need to start, we need to put our people back in homes.And Zakoomu is a classic example of how much Federalists hate Northern Uganda and Northerners, for there is no way any body with a brain of a pea size, can decide to make Northern Uganda a federal State today. These are people who have been destroyed by their government, it has been a government policy to destroy the North, these people have not slept in homes for 20 years, and the only way North can get on their feet both financially and psychologically is by being up lifted by the rest of the entire nation. it is sad that the federalists want to abandon Northern Uganda to its own. But hey what do you expect from a bunch of people who have a philosophy based on miss information and disinformation, being fade on a society of the Zakoomu's who are un critical thinkers?It sucks trust me. And we might be quite but we are watching, be ware.EmThe Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"----- Original Message -----From: Rehema MukoozaSent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 7:07 PMSubject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA RebelsLupa-Lasaga:You've got a nice point here with your question: What is the best strategy for bringing about federalism in Uganda? Below are my contributions towards an answer.1st. getting all districts under "regions" together at the round table and discuss their union and how they are going to make things work in their union.2nd. getting regions (Busoga, Bunyoro, Acholi, Lango, W.Nile, Ankole, Tooro, Kigezi, etc) to form workable settings of their governing administrations (democratic & cultural) within and around.3rd. getting all regions together on the national table to discuss key issues of the federation. I refer you to the www.federo.com website for farther information.4th. Democratic mult-partism in all regional states should be formed. Political parties should form branches in every region they want political participation in. Thus, DP-Bunyoro branches, CP-Acholi branches, NRM-O Busoga branches, etc...5th. Political parties should contest in regional politics (democratic) and traditional / cultural posts should be left to be set through traditional customs and norms.The separation of democratic politics from cultural politics should emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other get intertwined, They'll have to be separated, written in the law of the land.6th. Regional politics should be separated from National politics by the law of the land, even if at one point or the other they'll get intertwined, we'll have to separate them. This is the avoid what some people called Buganda politics affecting National politics. This time around things have to be separated by the law.Continues next time.... I'm waiting for your contributions.Zakoomu R.
Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Zakoomu,
Now, I do happen to have expressed in various fora the view that I see a
lot of merit in federalism. So, really, you're not telling me anything new.
The crucial question is, what is the best strategy for bringing about
federalism in Uganda?
vukoni
BTW, the bad news for those who are so obsessed with limiting Buganda's
role in Ugandan politics, federalism may not be the magic wand they
seek. In any case, I don't see how Buganda's demographic and geographic
preponderance in national politics will go away under federalism. For the
foreseeable future, (whether under a federal or unitary government) the
Baganda will remain the single most populous nationality in Uganda. That
reality will continue to be reflected in Uganda's political and cultural life.
And I'd really really appreciate it if you took the tim e to spell my name
correctly.
At 07:34 PM 1/24/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Lasanga: You wrote below,
>
>"It's just that demographically and geographically Buganda looms large in
>our politics."
>
>Have you ever thought of how to put a balance to the demographic dominance
>of Buganda in Uganda politics?? My resolution to this demographic
>dominance is FEDERALISM to all regions of Uganda. What do you think, Lasanga??
>
>Have you ever thought of how to put a balance to the geographic dominance
>of Buganda in Ugandan politics?? FEDERALISM is the solution. With each
>region holding power to decide its future, geographic dominance's impact
>will be reduced. Equal federal representation on the talking table will
>over look geographic dominance.
>
>What has caused this demographic and geographic dominance of Buganda in
>our politics?? Unitarism is the driving force behind this
>unfairness. Unitarism centralizes most of gov't resources towards its
>center (Buganda). We should not blame Buganda for Uganda's bloody past,
>we should put the blame on our gov'ts that have over and over again
>refused a federal arrangement for Uganda. Federalism will make sure that
>even if one region (Buganda) is wooed by false leaders like Obote and
>Museveni, the rest of the federation (Acholi, Lango, Bunyoro, Tooro,
>Ankole, Busoga, Kigezi, etc...) are not affected to the maximum they were
>when these false leaders make/made their woo-wooings.
>
>Zakoomu R.
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