I love that story always good for a chuckle! 

Christian de Larrinaga


> On 20 Jan 2014, at 15:42, Peter KIRSTEIN <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> In message <[email protected]>you write:
>> Hi Emma,
> 
> Christian and Emma,
> In those days one could do things personally - and it
> took two years. I had to agree to pay the duty if
> needed, and it was only when I threatened to export it
> and then re-import it under the Exchange of Forces
> Agreement Act that I got my inerview with the Treasury. I
> doubt if anything like that can happen fast.
> 
> There are now also the added complication that VAT is
> related to EC regulations.
> 
> Peter
>> 
>> TALK about History repeating itself! 
>> 
>> I wonder if you cite this project is part of the TIP project (197
>> 5) of
>> Peter Kirstein they might waive the VAT?
>> See slide 24 in
>> http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/p.kirstein/talks/Arpahistorytalk.p
>> pt
>> 
>> The VAT Saga
>> 
>> By late 1975, Treasury decided VAT on original TIP was payable
>> Could be reversed only by political decision
>> 
>> After much more argument,Treasury agreed to my arguments and stat
>> ed:
>> 
>> All present and future imports under this project would be free o
>> f VAT
>> and Duty
>> Allowed us to maintain control of project
>> ........\
>> 
>> ... HMRC  might be tough to convince this shipment is part of TIP
>> though..
>> 
>> If you want I am prepared to talk to them if you get in touch wit
>> h the
>> case details (shipping invoice, case reference, etc)
>> There might just be a glimmer
>> 
>> 
>> How charities can import goods VAT-free
>> 
>> http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/vat/import.htm
>> 
>> This looks phrased for a UK registered charity not a US NFP.  Wor
>> th a
>> call but I am not confident.
>> 
>> 
>> Christian
>> 07989-386778
> Emma Frost wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> So I have a strange question but am hopeful that someone on her
>> e might
>>> be able to help...
>>> 
>>> We (as in the Internet Society) are trying to donate some route
>> rs to
>>> ASREN and WACREN (research education networks for the Arab Stat
>> es and
>>> West and Central Africa). 
>>> 
>>> The routers were donated to us by one of our Organisation Membe
>> rs in
>>> the US. The first PoP is going in at London so we shipped the
>>> equipment to the UK from the US, before this we received cleara
>> nce
>>> from the US Dept of Commerce (no licenses needed), but now the
>>> equipment is sitting in customs in the UK. 
>>> 
>>> UK customs have said that unless ASREN and WACREN pay VAT for t
>> he
>>> equipment or present a VAT exempt certificate the routers will
>> be sent
>>> back to the US. 
>>> 
>>> The data centre involved has suggested that we pay the VAT and
>> use an
>>> organisation to reclaim the VAT, that organisation then takes 2
>> 7% of
>>> the money for their fees - so that's not a possibility for us.
>>> 
>>> So we're sort of at an impasse now and don't know how to help g
>> et the
>>> equipment released and I guess I was hoping there might be some
>> one on
>>> here who has experienced anything similar to this and could off
>> er some
>>> advice?
>>> 
>>> To conclude the equipment is donated, for non commercial use an
>> d is
>>> being donated to not-for-profit organisations. There should be
>> a solution!
>>> 
>>> Oh and we have until Friday. So any help much appreciated! 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Emma
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> Peter
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