May I add my 2 cents to Karen's 2 cents.  I agree with what she says.

Sande Knight
Deloitte & Touche 
Assurance and Advisory Services
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-----Original Message-----
From: Karen E. Heenan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:47 PM
To: 'University City Listserv (E-mail) ' (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [UC] SPAM


My 2 cents:  

I have no problem receiving email from the listserv, whatever my neighbors
want to say.  If I'm not interested or I don't want to read it, the
listserv, and all of our computers, comes with a filter.   It's called
delete.

Karen



-----Original Message-----
From: S. Sharrieff Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:24 AM
To: 'University City Listserv (E-mail) ' (E-mail)
Subject: [UC] SPAM


Spam defined : unsolicited commercial email,  processed meat in a can.

This listserv was originally intended to give neighbors
an opportunity to share their views on topical issues
of community concern, to interest community members in
giving something back to the neighborhood. One of the
first uses was getting the word out about a support
drive for neighbors who were victims of a fire.

There was a time when we cared about the content and post to the list. But
over the years as the list grew, the opportunity to Spam the numerous
captive audience was too hard too resist for some. There is something called
net-etiquette which is standard on most community forum listservs. It
assumes that political solicitation, commercial ventures
for-profit-marketing, promotion of religion, writing entire e-mails in all
caps known as "shouting", or character defamation have no place in a civil
discourse forum. By using these guidelines it keeps the forum interesting
enough to read.

The U-City list has become an "anything goes" environment. Folks selling
items, renting apartments, promoting for profit businesses, have made
inappropriate, by net-etiquette standards, post, that undermine the
potential quality of discussions about issues concerning our community.

Reading all of the Spam that comes across the list represents the idea that
we are self-serving masked as "sharing" with our neighbors. I am an American
that believes in equality for ALL citizens. This is an elite system we are
using, many people are not on line and accessing such spontaneous
information delivery. This clearly would give anyone who chooses to use it a
competitive advantage with a niche market. Exploitation?

We seem to be afraid of talking about the real issues that separate us as a
community. Posting all of the frivolous items that anyone could find in
"Close at Hand" or by "Google" is what I believe to be nervous chatter. Ok,
sometimes it is humorous! Good thing, people don't seem to send chain
letters or office jokes to the list. Knock on wood!

There are many who have unsubscribed or chastised those of us who are
actively engaged in community building because we are passionate about where
we live. We could never pay Melani or Liz back for the hours they have
dedicated to our community. However, I don't want to have them or anyone
else cleverly use this forum to sell me any product or service simply
because it is an expedient way to reach a mass of people. We all have so
much more to give.

I have plenty of items and services to sell, but I have never used this
forum for that purpose.

I am suggesting that we all try to increase the number of people subscribed
and contributing to the discussion of our community, and work to improve the
quality of our post to this listserv.

My 2 cents.

S.


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