Wilma de Soto wrote:
Great! A “community” listserv under the auspices of UCD sponsors and
their sympathizers in the neighborhood. No community input permitted
unless you take a pledge?
What’ll they think of next? POWER OVER THE PEOPLE!!!
Lord knows why you're believing Glenn Moyer, whose accounts of issues in
Clark Park have been consistently misleading, delusory, and frequently
false. Lord knows where you got this "listserv under the auspices of UCD
sponsors." Kyle's running a list through a Penn server, and as far as I
can tell, the only thing he's said about screening is that the list will
be moderated-- and suddenly, you're worried about being excluded even
_before_ you've tried to get onto his list. I sometimes typeset FoCP
stuff at work if it's close to deadline-- does that make the Friends of
Clark Park "under the auspices of a UCD sponsor?" Both Glenn and Ray
Rorke work, or have worked, for Penn. You might as well denounce them as
UCD proxies as well.
Working up these theatrical wails about exclusion is just self-righteous
bullshit, Wilma. _This_ list is exclusionary-- it keeps out all of those
people who can't afford computers, who can't use computers, or who just
_hate_ using computers. If I meet Sharrieff at the Green Line for
coffee, and we chat about his UCD committee, we're being "exclusionary"
in that we don't want assholes coming over and interrupting us. I know
of three Internet forums for residents of our neighborhood (LiveJournal
communities, PhillyBlog, this list); there are probably others, but the
fact that conversations happen _there_ that don't include every human
being in West Philly makes them "exclusionary."
The _content_ here excludes people: I know people who are sick of
Glenn's delusional ravings, Al Krigman's mean-spirited rants, Ray
Rorke's wifty insinuations of bad motives, and-- yes, people have told
me this-- your occasional tornadoes of wrath, accusing others of racism.
_THOSE_ people are "excluded," and there's more evidence of _this_ list
being exclusionary than Kyle's as-yet-untested project. So do not even
_try_ to present yourself as this defender of free and open speech, Wilma.
Kyle's fed up with the bullshit on this list, so he's set up his own.
Nobody's been excluded, and nobody's closing off _this_ list and forcing
anyone to migrate. Kyle's list will survive, or fail, on its own merits;
maybe lots of people will subscribe there, and maybe they won't.
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