Brian isn't listed as a board member on the FOCP website.
On 10/2/09 2:41 PM, "Glenn moyer" <[email protected]> wrote: > Siano gives such a classic example of the use of a straw man to silence public > discussion. Here are the quotes for everyone to analyze. I think this is a > dangerous propaganda technique important for all citizens to study and > recognize!! > > From a reply to Craig when the unknown chemicals were first exposed: Craig > wrote about the 40 year history of the chemical industry and benefit to > mankind. > > Moyer says: > "Craig, there is a big difference between any use of chemicals, and arbitrary > use for neo-Victorian aesthetic sensibilities. > > With the unregulated corporate greed that your buddies worship, the proper > science is always avoided before millions of gallons of these chemicals are > dumped. You can point out that a demand for no chemical use has trade offs. > But no kids are dying from nutritious dandelion in Clark park. These millions > of gallons of pesticides are being dumped to increase corporate profits. > (Organic farmers have found that good techniques can increase yield above > chemically doused soil.)" > > Siano's straw man creation: > > "Oh, I have to mention something that's very disturbing. Glenn has made wild > and unsupported claims that "millions of gallons" of "poisons" are being > dumped in the park, as a "corporate" effort to promote "neo-Victorian" values. > I have not seen anyone demand that he support these claims with anything like > proof. But when Tony tries to answer these wild accusations-- and we're > researching the issue, trust me-- suddenly the people who swallowed Glenn's > dishonest bile are demanding "facts and data." Well, we're trying, but they > take time to assemble: Glenn has the luxury of throwing whatever he wants onto > the list, relevant, documented, or not." > > > > Anyone reading the text of the exchange with Craig can easily see that Siano > pulls words from separate sentences. My point was that proper science is > avoided before nation wide release of these lawn care chemicals in the > interest of profits. I never said it all went on Clark park, which is an > absurd deliberately created deception known as creating a straw man. He is > attacking my character, yes; but he is also trying to intimidate everyone > requesting information on these chemicals. The concerned community residents, > parents, and dog owners are annoying Siano, because they are simply being > manipulated by my "bile" and lies. > > Do you see how Siano can make such attacks against the fictitious straw man he > created?? His false constructed quote looks ridiculous when you go back and > look what I actually said. Isn't it ridiculous to think I was asserting that > Clark park's treatments are the center of the profits for huge corporations? > > > It may seem funny to think that Siano made such a silly interpretation and > that mistaken quote, '"millions of gallons" of "poisons" are being dumped in > the park' But Siano knew I said no such thing as he took words from different > places to help deceive all of you. He wants to support the general ad hominem > strategy, which I have long encountered from those known as the aninted. > ("Crazy, paranoid," etc, etc.") > > Once people have been proven using this technique, they must never be blindly > trusted, especially, when they are officers or board members of civic > associations believed to have credibility. I think the important question is > not how we should react to Siano, but does the FOCP board approve or condemn > the use of Siano's straw man fallacy to falsly portray a dissenter to their > official business???? > > If FOCP board members on this list don't condemn Siano's public straw man, as > an agent of FOCP; the FOCP organization bears the responsibility and should > not be trusted by government nor members of this community! This is crafted > deception. It is not civil and is one of the first strike strategies, which > truly makes civility impossible in public discourse. (FOCP controls their dog > and pony shows but can't control our study of the public text!) > > Folks, we need to stand up to these tactics on the list, before it gets > started again! I believe that civic associations should all require an ethics > rule in their by-laws. > > Glenn > PS: I have not received a retraction from Siano about the accusations based on > the Chance e-mails he wants to site. I will soon forward the Chance e-mail as > I promised without the public retraction. > > > > > > > > > ---- > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the > list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see > <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see <http://www.purple.com/list.html>.
