Siano gives such a classic example of the use of a straw man to silence public
discussion. Here are the quotes for everyone to analyze. I think this is a
dangerous propaganda technique important for all citizens to study and
recognize!!
>From a reply to Craig when the unknown chemicals were first exposed: Craig
>wrote about the 40 year history of the chemical industry and benefit to
>mankind.
Moyer says:
"Craig, there is a big difference between any use of chemicals, and arbitrary
use for neo-Victorian aesthetic sensibilities.
With the unregulated corporate greed that your buddies worship, the proper
science is always avoided before millions of gallons of these chemicals are
dumped. You can point out that a demand for no chemical use has trade offs.
But no kids are dying from nutritious dandelion in Clark park. These millions
of gallons of pesticides are being dumped to increase corporate profits.
(Organic farmers have found that good techniques can increase yield above
chemically doused soil.)"
Siano's straw man creation:
"Oh, I have to mention something that's very disturbing. Glenn has made wild
and unsupported claims that "millions of gallons" of "poisons" are being dumped
in the park, as a "corporate" effort to promote "neo-Victorian" values. I have
not seen anyone demand that he support these claims with anything like proof.
But when Tony tries to answer these wild accusations-- and we're researching
the issue, trust me-- suddenly the people who swallowed Glenn's dishonest bile
are demanding "facts and data." Well, we're trying, but they take time to
assemble: Glenn has the luxury of throwing whatever he wants onto the list,
relevant, documented, or not."
Anyone reading the text of the exchange with Craig can easily see that Siano
pulls words from separate sentences. My point was that proper science is
avoided before nation wide release of these lawn care chemicals in the interest
of profits. I never said it all went on Clark park, which is an absurd
deliberately created deception known as creating a straw man. He is attacking
my character, yes; but he is also trying to intimidate everyone requesting
information on these chemicals. The concerned community residents, parents,
and dog owners are annoying Siano, because they are simply being manipulated by
my "bile" and lies.
Do you see how Siano can make such attacks against the fictitious straw man he
created?? His false constructed quote looks ridiculous when you go back and
look what I actually said. Isn't it ridiculous to think I was asserting that
Clark park's treatments are the center of the profits for huge corporations?
It may seem funny to think that Siano made such a silly interpretation and that
mistaken quote, '"millions of gallons" of "poisons" are being dumped in the
park' But Siano knew I said no such thing as he took words from different
places to help deceive all of you. He wants to support the general ad hominem
strategy, which I have long encountered from those known as the aninted.
("Crazy, paranoid," etc, etc.")
Once people have been proven using this technique, they must never be blindly
trusted, especially, when they are officers or board members of civic
associations believed to have credibility. I think the important question is
not how we should react to Siano, but does the FOCP board approve or condemn
the use of Siano's straw man fallacy to falsly portray a dissenter to their
official business????
If FOCP board members on this list don't condemn Siano's public straw man, as
an agent of FOCP; the FOCP organization bears the responsibility and should not
be trusted by government nor members of this community! This is crafted
deception. It is not civil and is one of the first strike strategies, which
truly makes civility impossible in public discourse. (FOCP controls their dog
and pony shows but can't control our study of the public text!)
Folks, we need to stand up to these tactics on the list, before it gets started
again! I believe that civic associations should all require an ethics rule in
their by-laws.
Glenn
PS: I have not received a retraction from Siano about the accusations based on
the Chance e-mails he wants to site. I will soon forward the Chance e-mail as
I promised without the public retraction.
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