>Brian isn't listed as a board member on the FOCP website. >
Hmmm. I wonder who is demanding "facts and data" from him. He's annoyed with all of us, but says: "Well, we're trying." Kimm, a lot of people don't understand how these civic clubs work. The loyal life members are part of the leadership even when they are not officially on the board. And board members, from outside groups, are badly treated and excluded from the real deliberations, even when they are on the board. I was an FOCP board member for about 3 months before they broke the final straw, and I vowed to expose them. With a powerful organization using these associations, they become a real danger for a diverse loosely organized community like ours. Best, Glenn -----Original Message----- >From: Kimm Tynan <[email protected]> >Sent: Oct 2, 2009 9:06 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UC] Strawman tactic intimidates the public > >Brian isn't listed as a board member on the FOCP website. > > >On 10/2/09 2:41 PM, "Glenn moyer" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Siano gives such a classic example of the use of a straw man to silence >> public >> discussion. Here are the quotes for everyone to analyze. I think this is a >> dangerous propaganda technique important for all citizens to study and >> recognize!! >> >> From a reply to Craig when the unknown chemicals were first exposed: Craig >> wrote about the 40 year history of the chemical industry and benefit to >> mankind. >> >> Moyer says: >> "Craig, there is a big difference between any use of chemicals, and arbitrary >> use for neo-Victorian aesthetic sensibilities. >> >> With the unregulated corporate greed that your buddies worship, the proper >> science is always avoided before millions of gallons of these chemicals are >> dumped. You can point out that a demand for no chemical use has trade offs. >> But no kids are dying from nutritious dandelion in Clark park. These >> millions >> of gallons of pesticides are being dumped to increase corporate profits. >> (Organic farmers have found that good techniques can increase yield above >> chemically doused soil.)" >> >> Siano's straw man creation: >> >> "Oh, I have to mention something that's very disturbing. Glenn has made wild >> and unsupported claims that "millions of gallons" of "poisons" are being >> dumped in the park, as a "corporate" effort to promote "neo-Victorian" >> values. >> I have not seen anyone demand that he support these claims with anything like >> proof. But when Tony tries to answer these wild accusations-- and we're >> researching the issue, trust me-- suddenly the people who swallowed Glenn's >> dishonest bile are demanding "facts and data." Well, we're trying, but they >> take time to assemble: Glenn has the luxury of throwing whatever he wants >> onto >> the list, relevant, documented, or not." >> >> >> >> Anyone reading the text of the exchange with Craig can easily see that Siano >> pulls words from separate sentences. My point was that proper science is >> avoided before nation wide release of these lawn care chemicals in the >> interest of profits. I never said it all went on Clark park, which is an >> absurd deliberately created deception known as creating a straw man. He is >> attacking my character, yes; but he is also trying to intimidate everyone >> requesting information on these chemicals. The concerned community >> residents, >> parents, and dog owners are annoying Siano, because they are simply being >> manipulated by my "bile" and lies. >> >> Do you see how Siano can make such attacks against the fictitious straw man >> he >> created?? His false constructed quote looks ridiculous when you go back and >> look what I actually said. Isn't it ridiculous to think I was asserting that >> Clark park's treatments are the center of the profits for huge corporations? >> >> >> It may seem funny to think that Siano made such a silly interpretation and >> that mistaken quote, '"millions of gallons" of "poisons" are being dumped in >> the park' But Siano knew I said no such thing as he took words from >> different >> places to help deceive all of you. He wants to support the general ad >> hominem >> strategy, which I have long encountered from those known as the aninted. >> ("Crazy, paranoid," etc, etc.") >> >> Once people have been proven using this technique, they must never be blindly >> trusted, especially, when they are officers or board members of civic >> associations believed to have credibility. I think the important question is >> not how we should react to Siano, but does the FOCP board approve or condemn >> the use of Siano's straw man fallacy to falsly portray a dissenter to their >> official business???? >> >> If FOCP board members on this list don't condemn Siano's public straw man, as >> an agent of FOCP; the FOCP organization bears the responsibility and should >> not be trusted by government nor members of this community! This is crafted >> deception. It is not civil and is one of the first strike strategies, which >> truly makes civility impossible in public discourse. (FOCP controls their >> dog >> and pony shows but can't control our study of the public text!) >> >> Folks, we need to stand up to these tactics on the list, before it gets >> started again! I believe that civic associations should all require an ethics >> rule in their by-laws. >> >> Glenn >> PS: I have not received a retraction from Siano about the accusations based >> on >> the Chance e-mails he wants to site. I will soon forward the Chance e-mail >> as >> I promised without the public retraction. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- >> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the >> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see >> <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. > > >---- >You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the >list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see ><http://www.purple.com/list.html>. ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see <http://www.purple.com/list.html>.
