that is why I use XP64 and not vista :)

Andrew

Danni Coy wrote:
The one thing vista has going for it and the only reason it is being used here is that the 64bit version can address more than 3GB of Ram for an application


On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Neil Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

    A very fine note. Totally appreciated.
Many thanks Aidan. Neil Cooke

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        *From:* Aidan O Driscoll <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:09 AM
        *Subject:* Re: Another nail in RS's coffin?

        Hi Guys,

        To maybe clear up this Truespace and Microsoft thing a little.

        It was a section of Microsoft that bought out Truespace /
        Caligari - the Virtual Earth Team. If one looks at the Google
        thing with Google Earth - they bought out Sketchup. In both
        cases part of the aim is to have a free 3D app as a way of
        creating 3D content for these environments. Truespace 7.6 now
        has a connect to Virtual Earth to add content  ( an icon
        bottom right in the Workspace area, click / hold the Workspace
        HW settings Icon, more Icons pop up, its one of these ).

        What Google did with Sketchup as we all know is to provide two
        versions - crippled type standard version and a pro version.
        If we look at this philosophy perhaps this is what Microsoft
        will do - a Truespace standard and pro ( paid for ).

        at the moment you get TS 7.6 FREE forever - BUT with the 7
        series of TS Caligari  began to add external Renderers as a
        feature - in this case VRAY. So when you now try to render
        from the new Workspace area in TS it needs / asks for that
        external renderer. I hear you say - whats the point - well the
        new Workspace area is a Live 3D edit window. All textures and
        the like shown rendered live as you edit - a first of its
        kind, based on Directx technology.

        If you move over to the model area - this is basically TS 6.6.
        It has the traditional Lightworks renderer BUT now also
        Virtualight. The latter has features like GI and Caustics. You
        can chose either or.  Their is also a 3rd party cheap
        RENDERMAN plug called DRIBBLE - it is a current plugin too,
        about $35.

        One of the big things with Roman, Caligari ex Boss,  was
        collaborative 3D. TS 7.6 includes this also. In the Workspace
        area is where you access this ( icon bar bottom right ). Check
        out chapter 12 in the manual. You need to set up an account at
        the TRUEPLACES page from the Caligari site front page to join
        in. This means you can load up models and the like and have
        others over the net join with you inside TS  editing these
        models / scenes.

        The one huge difference between Truespace and Sketchup is that
        TS is a full 3D app including everything from Modelling, SDS,
        NURBS, Animation, Character Animation ( very good tools here
        ), physics, NODE BASED SHADER SYSTEM in Workspace ...... blah
        blah ... go to the TS site for a larger feature list.

        Re the Interface - yes it is Quirky, but not a huge curve
        really. The underlying features are well worth any effort. AND
        the I/F is FULLY customizable down to changing the Icons to
        text if you wish.

        The app itself is quirky in comparison to other apps - in that
        it has this connection to online worlds and collaborative
        features. One thing I have found is TS has a huge list of
        import / export filters, way more than alot of other apps out
        there including COLLADA, .X, .bvh and all the usuals plus
        more. To see these open TS, Workspace area. Over right on the
        Library section, right click a library and have a look at
        Import / Export options from this menu.

        BUT AS I HAVE STATED ALREADY  - If I use TS it is as part of a
        workflow. So I might not use ALL of TS eg - model etc in
        REALSOFT and into TS for collaboration OR for its Character
        Animation tools - only learn the parts you need.

        AND NO - I dont think it will be blended into VISTA - from my
        experience installing systems for clients and the like - VISTA
        is all but dead, most businesses I know prefer XP PRO, buy
        machines with VISTA but "Upgrade" to XP PRO. Microsoft have
        all but admitted this - they have hauled forward Windows 7
        from 2012 to 2010ish. DELL sell systems with Vista but an
        option for XP PRO if you want.

        Vista eats your system resource wise. Try an experiment - two
        same systems side by side - one with Vista other with XP PRO -
        no comparison, XP wins out by a long shot. After all an op sys
        is a base for all other APPLICATION Software, the more
        minimalist it is in interfering with your system the better.
        You want the UMMPH for your applications not the op sys. Vista
        in my opinion broke that "rule".

        Cheers
        Aidan






        At 05:47 30/07/2008, you wrote:
        On Jul 29, 2008, at 4:02 PM, Jean-Sebastien Perron wrote:


            Maybe micrososft will incluse truespace in their next
vista service pack to improve it's sales.


        Since just about every version of Truespace has  basically
        been given away free at some stage I don't know if this would
        have much of an impact.  The software is not more widely used
        because most people don't perceive it worth the bother of
        investing in learning the interface ( I don'


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