http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/64bit/russel_exploringx64.mspx

Danni Coy wrote:
Apparantly XP64 still has that limitation

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Andrew Berge <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

    that is why I use XP64 and not vista :)

    Andrew

    Danni Coy wrote:

        The one thing vista has going for it and the only reason it is
        being used here is that the 64bit version can address more
        than 3GB of Ram for an application


        On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Neil Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:

           A very fine note. Totally appreciated.
               Many thanks Aidan.
               Neil Cooke

               ----- Original Message -----
               *From:* Aidan O Driscoll <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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               <mailto:[email protected]
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               *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:09 AM
               *Subject:* Re: Another nail in RS's coffin?

               Hi Guys,

               To maybe clear up this Truespace and Microsoft thing a
        little.

               It was a section of Microsoft that bought out Truespace /
               Caligari - the Virtual Earth Team. If one looks at the
        Google
               thing with Google Earth - they bought out Sketchup. In both
               cases part of the aim is to have a free 3D app as a way of
               creating 3D content for these environments. Truespace
        7.6 now
               has a connect to Virtual Earth to add content  ( an icon
               bottom right in the Workspace area, click / hold the
        Workspace
               HW settings Icon, more Icons pop up, its one of these ).

               What Google did with Sketchup as we all know is to
        provide two
               versions - crippled type standard version and a pro
        version.
               If we look at this philosophy perhaps this is what
        Microsoft
               will do - a Truespace standard and pro ( paid for ).

               at the moment you get TS 7.6 FREE forever - BUT with the 7
               series of TS Caligari  began to add external Renderers as a
               feature - in this case VRAY. So when you now try to render
               from the new Workspace area in TS it needs / asks for that
               external renderer. I hear you say - whats the point -
        well the
               new Workspace area is a Live 3D edit window. All
        textures and
               the like shown rendered live as you edit - a first of its
               kind, based on Directx technology.

               If you move over to the model area - this is basically
        TS 6.6.
               It has the traditional Lightworks renderer BUT now also
               Virtualight. The latter has features like GI and
        Caustics. You
               can chose either or.  Their is also a 3rd party cheap
               RENDERMAN plug called DRIBBLE - it is a current plugin too,
               about $35.

               One of the big things with Roman, Caligari ex Boss,  was
               collaborative 3D. TS 7.6 includes this also. In the
        Workspace
               area is where you access this ( icon bar bottom right
        ). Check
               out chapter 12 in the manual. You need to set up an
        account at
               the TRUEPLACES page from the Caligari site front page
        to join
               in. This means you can load up models and the like and have
               others over the net join with you inside TS  editing these
               models / scenes.

               The one huge difference between Truespace and Sketchup
        is that
               TS is a full 3D app including everything from
        Modelling, SDS,
               NURBS, Animation, Character Animation ( very good tools
        here
               ), physics, NODE BASED SHADER SYSTEM in Workspace
        ...... blah
               blah ... go to the TS site for a larger feature list.

               Re the Interface - yes it is Quirky, but not a huge curve
               really. The underlying features are well worth any
        effort. AND
               the I/F is FULLY customizable down to changing the Icons to
               text if you wish.

               The app itself is quirky in comparison to other apps -
        in that
               it has this connection to online worlds and collaborative
               features. One thing I have found is TS has a huge list of
               import / export filters, way more than alot of other
        apps out
               there including COLLADA, .X, .bvh and all the usuals plus
               more. To see these open TS, Workspace area. Over right
        on the
               Library section, right click a library and have a look at
               Import / Export options from this menu.

               BUT AS I HAVE STATED ALREADY  - If I use TS it is as
        part of a
               workflow. So I might not use ALL of TS eg - model etc in
               REALSOFT and into TS for collaboration OR for its Character
               Animation tools - only learn the parts you need.

               AND NO - I dont think it will be blended into VISTA -
        from my
               experience installing systems for clients and the like
        - VISTA
               is all but dead, most businesses I know prefer XP PRO, buy
               machines with VISTA but "Upgrade" to XP PRO. Microsoft have
               all but admitted this - they have hauled forward Windows 7
               from 2012 to 2010ish. DELL sell systems with Vista but an
               option for XP PRO if you want.

               Vista eats your system resource wise. Try an experiment
        - two
               same systems side by side - one with Vista other with
        XP PRO -
               no comparison, XP wins out by a long shot. After all an
        op sys
               is a base for all other APPLICATION Software, the more
               minimalist it is in interfering with your system the
        better.
               You want the UMMPH for your applications not the op
        sys. Vista
               in my opinion broke that "rule".

               Cheers
               Aidan






               At 05:47 30/07/2008, you wrote:

                   On Jul 29, 2008, at 4:02 PM, Jean-Sebastien Perron
            wrote:


                           Maybe micrososft will incluse truespace in
                their next
                           vista service pack to improve it's sales.



                   Since just about every version of Truespace has
             basically
                   been given away free at some stage I don't know if
            this would
                   have much of an impact.  The software is not more
            widely used
                   because most people don't perceive it worth the
            bother of
                   investing in learning the interface ( I don'



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