If errors come back, why not add a junit test to check it what we did
for the shopping cart and checkout?

That is the best assurance an error does not come back......

On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 14:33 +1200, Scott Gray wrote:
> If people are willing to believe that the trunk carries minimal extra risks 
> in terms of stability and bugs then good luck to them.  The number of open 
> bugs in JIRA is a pretty good indication that bugs occur regularly and 
> sometimes take years to fix.  
> 
> The reality is that every commit carries a risk of regression and I've 
> personally fixed many bugs repeatedly as they continue to resurface with new 
> commits.  Editing an order with promotions is an example of this, I've fixed 
> it at least twice over the years and I believe it's broken again at the 
> moment.  Order and invoice rounding is another issue I've had to deal with a 
> few times.
> 
> Obviously there is a reason that OFBiz, just like most other software, 
> creates and maintains releases.  That reason is stability for end users.
> 
> Regards
> Scott
> 
> On 26/07/2011, at 1:20 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> 
> > I can really say that the trunk version has only very minimal extra
> > risks especially if you are supported by an OFBiz service provider who
> > is using OFBiz himself like us.
> > 
> > We are always using the trunk version for Antwebsystems.com for most
> > functions within our own company and upgrade at a maximum every month.
> > Once in a while (1-2 times per year) we find blocking problems. We do
> > however always fix these within hours and in the mean time provide an
> > earlier svn version which was functioning well. 
> > 
> > We advise our users to upgrade the system at least once every 3 months
> > when the upgrade efforts are minimal.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Hans
> > 
> > -- 
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> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 12:48 +1200, Scott Gray wrote:
> >> I'd definitely encourage early adopters to go for 11.04, but at the end of 
> >> the day the choice between 10.04, 11.04 or the trunk is simply a matter of 
> >> weighing the desire for new features against risk of instability and bugs.
> >> 
> >> The use of vendor branches is equally applicable to any version of OFBiz.  
> >> I was simply pointing out that some committers are more likely to 
> >> recommend the trunk because it is easier for them to work with, but 
> >> perhaps it is not necessarily in the best interests of the client due to 
> >> the increased risks.
> >> 
> >> Regards
> >> Scott
> >> 
> >> On 26/07/2011, at 2:54 AM, Mike wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Why 10.04 vs 11.04 at this point?  11.04 is way better (blogging
> >>> actually works).
> >>> 
> >>> Also, as long as you have gone through the initial trouble of setting
> >>> up your own vendor branch (real important) using trunk is feasible.
> >>> 
> >>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Scott Gray <[email protected]> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Just to put out an opposing point of view, I recommend using the latest 
> >>>> stable release and not the trunk.  The trunk is susceptible to new bugs 
> >>>> whereas 10.04 is not and in fact has seen nothing but bug fixes for the 
> >>>> past 15 months.  So imagine taking the trunk and spending 15 months only 
> >>>> fixing bugs, that is what 10.04 is.  Does the trunk have more features? 
> >>>> Yes, but in my opinion you're unlikely to need any of them and if you do 
> >>>> you can always consider back porting the relevant code that you need.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Using the trunk is simply more convenient for committers because they 
> >>>> can commit their changes instead of maintaining patches like everyone 
> >>>> else.  Most users don't have that power and if they do submit a patch it 
> >>>> is pretty unlikely it will get committed very quickly.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Scott
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 24/07/2011, at 4:45 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi Tim,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> i just tested with the trunk version and followed the following blog:
> >>>>> http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16907
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> There it is working well.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I advice you to use the latest trunk version and not 10.04. Here in
> >>>>> Antwebsystems we always use the latest version from svn which in my
> >>>>> opinion has the least problems and the most features.
> >>>>> If there would be a blocking problem in the latest version, we normally
> >>>>> fix that within a couple of hours after reporting.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Further, Postgresql is preferred above Mysql seeing the recent takeover
> >>>>> by Oracle and the following article:
> >>>>> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Why_PostgreSQL_Instead_of_MySQL:_Comparing_Reliability_and_Speed_in_2007
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Hans
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 12:59 -0700, Tim Stoel wrote:
> >>>>>> I have OfBiz 10.04 installed on a local server with MySQL as the 
> >>>>>> database
> >>>>>> engine, we¹ve been working with this for about six months now. We are
> >>>>>> intending to use OfBiz for eCommerce, as well as sales order 
> >>>>>> processing for
> >>>>>> eBay orders and have made a lot of progress in adapting it to our 
> >>>>>> business.
> >>>>>> When we installed OfBiz, there is a lot of demo data in the database.  
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> wondered what the best way is to deal with this data.  When I setup 
> >>>>>> OfBiz
> >>>>>> with only seed data, it seemed a lot of things were not configured 
> >>>>>> that were
> >>>>>> useful, which is why I went back to using all of the demo data.  
> >>>>>> Should it
> >>>>>> be deleted one record at a time manually using another database tool?  
> >>>>>> What
> >>>>>> is the best path to get from an install of OfBiz to using it without 
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> excess demo entries?  Is there any documentation on this?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Tim
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >> 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> > 
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