Of course you can't. Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.
Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Scott Gray <[email protected]> wrote: > From my perspective the confluence document seems to outline everything > pretty well. > > I think the 'trust' aspect would simply be that a voting PMC member is > able to trust that a potential committer would fulfill the the outlined > roles and responsibilities. The 'attitude' would simply be that the > potential committer is willing to follow advice and work well with others. > Neither of these things are so strange that they'd need to be further > documented IMO. > > I can't speak for Jacopo or anyone else, that's just my interpretation. > > Regards > Scott > > On 17/10/2014, at 11:49 pm, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> wrote: > > > So, you - as any PMC member - can also elaborate on the consensus with > > respect to the attitude and trustability requirements regarding potential > > committers (above and beyond the responsibilities, if these exist). > > > > Or - as it may be possible that I have misinterpreted the posting by > Jacopo > > - is it just about potential committers having the right mindset towards > > the execution of tasks as described in the roles and responsibilities > > document? Meaning that they can apply due diligence before committing? > And > > that they can make their own interests subordinate to those of the > > community? > > > > Regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Scott Gray <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > >> Pierre, > >> > >> Yes, in his opinion that is what we do. It's probably a correct opinion > >> too (in my opinion). But at the end of the day my point stands, PMC > >> members are individuals and each have different opinions about what > makes a > >> good committer. > >> > >> I'm not trying to be combative, if you disagree I'm happy to discuss it. > >> > >> Regards > >> Scott > >> > >> On 17/10/2014, at 11:19 pm, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> Scott, > >>> > >>> You are correct. Yet, you forgot to mention that Jacopo used 'we' in > >> direct > >>> relation to the words attitude and trust. So, he is not talking about > >> just > >>> his own feelings but about the collective perception. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Pierre Smits > >>> > >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>> Services and Retail & Trade > >>> http://www.orrtiz.com > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Scott Gray < > [email protected] > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Pierre, > >>>> > >>>> Jacopo's first words in that email were "In my opinion". That's an > >>>> extremely important point. > >>>> > >>>> There are no guidelines because each PMC member is free to vote > however > >>>> they feel would best serve the project. Any of us could provide our > own > >>>> personal guidelines but they would still just be personal opinions. > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> Scott > >>>> > >>>> On 17/10/2014, at 10:55 pm, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Jacopo, > >>>>> > >>>>> I your posting regarding the vote to keep the PROJECTMGR in releases > >> (see > >>>>> here: http://ofbiz.markmail.org/message/maha6pwlatlxbb64 ) you > >> addressed > >>>>> aspects as ' the right attitude' and 'trust them' in respect to > >> inviting > >>>>> committers. > >>>>> > >>>>> In the committers role and responsibilities page (see here: > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Committers+Roles+and+Responsibilities > >>>>> ) we can read about the responsibilities. But words like attitude and > >>>> trust > >>>>> are not not mentioned. > >>>>> > >>>>> Can you, as the PMC Chair, explain what the vision and expectations > are > >>>>> regarding this right attitude and trust? > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Pierre Smits > >>>>> > >>>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >>>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>>>> Services and Retail & Trade > >>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Jacopo Cappellato < > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> In my opinion we should avoid reconsidering the idea of creating > >>>>>> committers with limited access; instead I would prefer to invite > >>>> committers > >>>>>> when we trust them as individuals, when they have demonstrated the > >> right > >>>>>> attitude and skills to work in our community etc... and demonstrate > >>>> enough > >>>>>> technical skills for the work they have to do; even if it is limited > >> to > >>>> a > >>>>>> subset of the OFBiz codebase they will get full access to the repos > >> but > >>>> of > >>>>>> course they will limit their field of action to the area they know, > >>>> without > >>>>>> requiring us to enforce commit rights limitations. As I said this > can > >>>> only > >>>>>> work if we trust them 100% as persons at first. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jacopo > >>>>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >
