Daniel, Moodle plugin is written to perform Admin actions: prepare the room for the lesson And works as designed
Currently there is no APi function to "would allow the teacher to interact with the API and perform the same results as Clean Wb in OM UI." let's imaging such function exists Which WB in room should be cleaned in case there are 20 of them in the particular room? On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 10:53, Daniel Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > The teacher could use the OM UI, but that would not be ideal > from an API interaction perspective. Let me show you our interface > that hooks into your APIs: > > > > > You see that red button. That, we was hoping, would allow the > teacher to interact with the API and perform the same results as > Clean Wb in OM UI. > > I personally don't think this is requesting too much from your software. > > > On 10/16/2019 10:44 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > > Np teacher can use regular OM UI after he/she enters the room > > Moodle plugin perform "admin" tasks > Only admin in om can change room type/name > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 10:40 Daniel Baker <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Well the plugin is for the teacher to upload and delete files >> to OM . You do not have to be an admin to do that in moodle with this >> plugin. >> >> >> The teacher does not want to see a reappearance of files. >> >> >> Lets take your analogy of a lecture room : >> >> >> Teacher draws on WB . Teacher makes mistake. Teacher wants to >> delete mistake. Teacher presses ' clean wb'. Teacher should now see >> a clean WB -no objects. >> >> >> The teacher does not want to see the same mistake reappear. >> Currently when clicking clean wb nothing is removed from the WB and >> the mistake reappears. >> >> . >> >> Surely you can see the benefit of removing the mistake in real time. >> Just like how it does in OM currently. The API should be the same >> as OM. >> >> >> Currently the teacher would be in an infinite loop trying to remove >> the mistake and seeing it reappear. :-( >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2019 9:36 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >> >> Hello Daniel, >> >> No, it shouldn't be designed the same as clean wb in OM. >> Because the Moodle plugin is designed for Admins: same way as OM->Admin >> is designed for admins >> >> I'll try to describe this one more time using analog in the real world >> >> Imaging following situation >> Early morning in some University (let it be Sorbonne for ex.) >> The auditory is clean and empty >> Only some "Initial" materials are being set up >> >> Then the first class ends >> The Black board is all written >> All slides are at some non-initial positions etc. >> >> Then next class should have same lecture ... >> >> And the teacher now have magic button: "rewing the auditory status to the >> initial position" - and it works exactly like this >> >> On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 06:25, Daniel Baker <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Clean wb in moodle plugin should be designed the same as clean >>> wb in OM. Yes it should remove files and not reappear. >>> >>> If teacher wants to remove files it should be the same as >>> removing files in OM. Moderators are able to remove files. >>> >>> >>> That is consistent and clear logic.Can you do that or shall I >>> try ? >>> >>> >>> On 10/15/2019 10:05 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>> >>> Daniel, >>> >>> Unfortunately your screen-shots are misleading >>> Add-remove room files has nothing in common with manual add/remove files >>> to the room >>> This is ADMIN function, in OM UI it is located in Admin->Conference >>> rooms->Room->Room files >>> >>> Same way API function "Clean WB" has nothing in common with Room clean >>> single WB >>> It wipes all WBs in room (completely) all white-boards with all contents >>> is dropped >>> Then new WB(s) is(are) created based on the room files and its >>> white-board indices .... >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 09:05, Daniel Baker <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I think if the teacher presses the button 'Clear WB' we >>>> should honor that request with deleting the files on the WB. The >>>> files should not reappear on the WB. >>>> >>>> If the teacher clicks 'Remove ' file then it should be >>>> removed from the file list. >>>> >>>> I have included a picture that shows what should be the >>>> equivalent logic in OM and the Moodle plugin. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/14/2019 9:49 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes >>>> It is by design >>>> Room files were designed to be loaded at the time the room being >>>> accessed the first time >>>> >>>> The main idea is: the teacher/organizer should be able to check the >>>> room after the lesson is over .... >>>> >>>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 15:43, Daniel Baker <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Deleting files from the list of room files does not remove the >>>>> files from the WB in real time though , does it ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/14/2019 3:38 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No, >>>>> >>>>> File are deleted from the list of room files (can be checked in >>>>> Admin->Rooms->Room->Room files) >>>>> >>>>> After files are deleted they with NOT re-appear >>>>> So I see no area of improvement here >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 15:34, Daniel Baker < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You delete files from the WB then they reappear. I think >>>>>> this is the confusing aspect. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you please program it so that you click delete then they >>>>>> are deleted and do not reappear on the WB . Otherwise it is not >>>>>> deleting. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan >>>>>> On 10/14/2019 3:30 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I just have tested (using demo-next) >>>>>> >>>>>> All objects including manually added files and drawings are being >>>>>> removed >>>>>> >>>>>> THEN is there were room files they will be loaded >>>>>> So WB will look like on first enter >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Daniel Baker < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The clean WB button does not clean the files Maxim. >>>>>>> Nothing is removed from the WB. >>>>>>> On 10/14/2019 3:10 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daniel, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Room files" is sort of "auto-preload" list for the room >>>>>>> So if room is accesses for the first time: these files will be >>>>>>> loaded to the room >>>>>>> On the second enter all WB items including files and drawings will >>>>>>> remain "as-is" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can use "Clean WB" button this way all existing room items >>>>>>> (including drawings and manually added items) will be wiped out >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 15:04, Daniel Baker < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry for the repetition but the logic is difficult to >>>>>>>> grasp. >>>>>>>> All I want to do is delete a file from the WB in real >>>>>>>> time. I can not see how the logic below achieves that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You say it deletes file from auto-pre-load. How does >>>>>>>> that work? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/14/2019 2:50 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Daniel, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wrote you many, many times: delete checkbox only deletes files >>>>>>>> from "auto pre-load" >>>>>>>> Same way: you can manually draw something on WB, manually drop some >>>>>>>> files to WB >>>>>>>> Exit and enter the room and you will see same WB (with drawing and >>>>>>>> files) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You need to "wipe out" the whole WB >>>>>>>> Then it will be re-created with new files >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 at 10:43, Daniel Baker < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok so it is possible to delete files but the process is >>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>> convoluted. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It makes me think 'remove' files check box should >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> beside it a button that says 'delete files and clean WB. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I created a video of the process of deleting files. It seems >>>>>>>>> complicated. You can view it in VLC media player. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://anonfile.com/Ben0r685nb/How_to_delete_files_from_Moodle_OM_plugin_webm >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2019 9:14 PM, Daniel Baker wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Sorry to be harping on about this but I can't get this >>>>>>>>> Real >>>>>>>>> > Time deletion to work in OM 5. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Can you please advise how to make the delete functionality >>>>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Dan >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> WBR >>>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> WBR >>>>>>> Maxim aka solomax >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> WBR >>>>>> Maxim aka solomax >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> WBR >>>>> Maxim aka solomax >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> WBR >>>> Maxim aka solomax >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> WBR >>> Maxim aka solomax >>> >>> >> >> -- >> WBR >> Maxim aka solomax >> >> -- WBR Maxim aka solomax
