unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users, first, they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept does not exist in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?

On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
Hello All,

the plan will be:
1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'

If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range specific to your language NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should be less than code for the second one
codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/

Thanks in advance

[1] https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml

On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters and
    informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.

    On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Well,
        the info text is just a label, site admin can
        re-translate/customize it (upgrade might be an issue here ...)

        Additionally we might add
        `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to every language here
        
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
        with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages

        site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an issue ...)
        WDYT?

        On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            I just realized that I should offer this clarification for
            some of our friends, to avoid any misunderstandings:

            "terrific" means "wonderful"

            "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!

            English is a fun language.


            On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert

                On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                wrote:

                    Would it help if Capital letters will be used
                    instead of small ones?
                    And maybe there will be text like: Captcha consist
                    of English letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....

                    On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        Dear Friends,

                        My users, some of whom use non-Latin alfabets,
                        have no problem with using Latin letters in
                        the captcha.

                        My current problem with the captcha, shared by
                        my users is that the characters are often hard
                        to recognize. Capital I vesus small l.  Or
                        capital I verus ].  Or m versus n. Or g versus
                        q.  Often, the letters are sufficiently
                        deformed so as to be difficult not only to
                        Robot, but also to Robert and other humans to
                        distinguish.  As a result, several captchas
                        are often needed till a person can get it.

                        Granted, it is a terrific tool for teaching
                        folks how to have patience, highly
                        recommended. But sometimes, folks are under
                        the time pressure to enter the meeting (now,
                        why do they try to connect only in the very
                        last minute, that's a separate question)...

                        Thank you.
                        Robert


                        On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim Solodovnik
                        <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                            the bad news: there seems to be no
                            universal way to determine alphabet by
                            language
                            the ugly news: there are languages without
                            alphabet ....

                            start and end character can be manually
                            specified here
                            
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml


                            Another option might be to made this range
                            _optional_
                            so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is not
                            specified ....
                            Not sure is someone will bother to specify
                            different range ...

                            but I'm not sure how good is this idea :(((

                            @Robert what kind of difficulties your
                            user have with the captcha?


                            On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali Alhaidary
                            <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                We can write the language name on the
                                'new user' or 'change password'
                                screens ...

                                On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik
                                wrote:
                                > It is definitely can be localized
                                > unfortunately this might lead to
                                issues with guessing the text
                                > for ex. many letters in Russian
                                looks exactly as in English but the
                                > text will not be equal :((
                                >
                                > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05, Ali
                                Alhaidary <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                wrote:
                                >> If no votes are collected, can we
                                localize it?
                                >>
                                >>
                                
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali Alhaidary
                                wrote:
                                >>
                                >> Any more votes?
                                >>
                                >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali Alhaidary
                                wrote:
                                >>
                                >> I am with it :-)
                                >>
                                >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim
                                Solodovnik wrote:
                                >>
                                >> And as usual I'll add such switch
                                if there will be enough votes for it
                                >> while I, personally, will not
                                recommend to use it
                                >>
                                >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14, Ali
                                Alhaidary <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                wrote:
                                >>> True, one can not always get what
                                he loves :-)
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim
                                Solodovnik wrote:
                                >>>
                                >>> Well,
                                >>>
                                >>> I'm not a big fan of such
                                "enhancements"
                                >>> with all these options password
                                "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
                                >>>
                                >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58, Ali
                                Alhaidary <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                wrote:
                                >>>> I would love it to be an option
                                like caps and special characters,
                                especially with the difficulty of RTL
                                users like ours :-)
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim
                                Solodovnik wrote:
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Hello Robert,
                                >>>>
                                >>>> it is currently impossible
                                without code modification
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 14:37,
                                Robert Savickas <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
                                >>>>> Dear Maxim,
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>> Is there a way to disable
                                captcha when changing the password?
                                The images are often difficult to
                                read, and many users have to reset the
                                captcha image a few times, till they
                                finally get it.
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>> Thank you.
                                >>>>> Robert
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>>
                                >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15
                                Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
                                >>>>>> Hello all,
                                >>>>>>
                                >>>>>> I have added notifications to
                                OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
                                >>>>>> Could you please  take a look
                                at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
                                >>>>>>
                                >>>>>> maybe it should be improved
                                somehow?
                                >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
                                >>>>>>
                                >>>>>> --
                                >>>>>> Best regards,
                                >>>>>> Maxim
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> --
                                >>>> Best regards,
                                >>>> Maxim
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> --
                                >>> Best regards,
                                >>> Maxim
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> --
                                >> Best regards,
                                >> Maxim
                                >
                                >



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