0627-063A

This the common range as other characters are scattered in the table and can not be in one range...

https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0600.pdf


On 12/10/20 6:21 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
please re-read my post

especially this part:
*If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me the range specific to your language* *NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter should be less than code for the second one*
*codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/*

For Arabic the above mean:
1) go to http://www.unicode.org/charts/
2) choose `Arabic`
3) send me the range for ex:
        start (code 0621)  ء
        end (code 064A)  ي


I don't think 0-9 is a good idea in general
so you can do this change later on for your local installation

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 09:41, Ali Alhaidary <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    unless 'A-Z' is the same as 'a-z', it will confuse so many users,
    first, they do not use Latin characters, second, 'capital' concept
    does not exist in their alphabets. can it be only numerals '0-9' ?

    On 12/10/20 5:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
    Hello All,

    the plan will be:
    1) captcha range will be added to this [1] file
    2) by default it will be 'A'-'Z'

    If 'A'-'Z' is not appropriate for your language, please send me
    the range specific to your language
    NOTE: this should be the range i.e. unicode code for first letter
    should be less than code for the second one
    codes can be checked for ex. here http://www.unicode.org/charts/

    Thanks in advance

    [1]
    
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml

    On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 23:59, Robert Savickas
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Yes, what I want is that limiting it to only capital letters
        and informing the user accordingly is a fantastic idea.

        On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 11:54 Maxim Solodovnik
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Well,
            the info text is just a label, site admin can
            re-translate/customize it (upgrade might be an issue here
            ...)

            Additionally we might add
            `captchaStartLetter` `captchaEndLetter` to every language
            here
            
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml
            with default of 'A'-'Z' for all languages

            site admin can change this (upgrade will still be an
            issue ...)
            WDYT?

            On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:16, Robert Savickas
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                I just realized that I should offer this
                clarification for some of our friends, to avoid any
                misunderstandings:

                "terrific" means "wonderful"

                "terrific" does NOT mean "terrible"!

                English is a fun language.


                On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 01:11 Robert Savickas
                <[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    Maxim, thank you. That would be terrific! Robert

                    On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 00:39 Maxim Solodovnik
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        Would it help if Capital letters will be used
                        instead of small ones?
                        And maybe there will be text like: Captcha
                        consist of English letters 'A' - 'Z' only ....

                        On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 02:49, Robert Savickas
                        <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                            Dear Friends,

                            My users, some of whom use non-Latin
                            alfabets, have no problem with using
                            Latin letters in the captcha.

                            My current problem with the captcha,
                            shared by my users is that the characters
                            are often hard to recognize. Capital I
                            vesus small l.  Or capital I verus ].  Or
                            m versus n. Or g versus q.  Often, the
                            letters are sufficiently deformed so as
                            to be difficult not only to Robot, but
                            also to Robert and other humans to
                            distinguish.  As a result, several
                            captchas are often needed till a person
                            can get it.

                            Granted, it is a terrific tool for
                            teaching folks how to have patience,
                            highly recommended. But sometimes, folks
                            are under the time pressure to enter the
                            meeting (now, why do they try to connect
                            only in the very last minute, that's a
                            separate question)...

                            Thank you.
                            Robert


                            On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 08:48 Maxim
                            Solodovnik <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                the bad news: there seems to be no
                                universal way to determine alphabet
                                by language
                                the ugly news: there are languages
                                without alphabet ....

                                start and end character can be
                                manually specified here
                                
https://github.com/apache/openmeetings/blob/master/openmeetings-web/src/main/webapp/languages/languages.xml


                                Another option might be to made this
                                range _optional_
                                so 'a' - 'z' will be used if else is
                                not specified ....
                                Not sure is someone will bother to
                                specify different range ...

                                but I'm not sure how good is this
                                idea :(((

                                @Robert what kind of difficulties
                                your user have with the captcha?


                                On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 20:28, Ali
                                Alhaidary
                                <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                wrote:

                                    We can write the language name on
                                    the 'new user' or 'change password'
                                    screens ...

                                    On 12/2/20 4:24 PM, Maxim
                                    Solodovnik wrote:
                                    > It is definitely can be localized
                                    > unfortunately this might lead
                                    to issues with guessing the text
                                    > for ex. many letters in Russian
                                    looks exactly as in English but the
                                    > text will not be equal :((
                                    >
                                    > On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 19:05,
                                    Ali Alhaidary
                                    <[email protected]
                                    <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                    wrote:
                                    >> If no votes are collected, can
                                    we localize it?
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31828048/how-to-set-localization-in-google-recaptcha
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> On 12/2/20 2:59 PM, Ali
                                    Alhaidary wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >> Any more votes?
                                    >>
                                    >> On 12/1/20 2:22 PM, Ali
                                    Alhaidary wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >> I am with it :-)
                                    >>
                                    >> On 12/1/20 2:58 AM, Maxim
                                    Solodovnik wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >> And as usual I'll add such
                                    switch if there will be enough
                                    votes for it
                                    >> while I, personally, will not
                                    recommend to use it
                                    >>
                                    >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:14,
                                    Ali Alhaidary
                                    <[email protected]
                                    <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                    wrote:
                                    >>> True, one can not always get
                                    what he loves :-)
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> On 11/30/20 9:12 AM, Maxim
                                    Solodovnik wrote:
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Well,
                                    >>>
                                    >>> I'm not a big fan of such
                                    "enhancements"
                                    >>> with all these options
                                    password "can be 'qwerty' again" ....
                                    >>>
                                    >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 12:58,
                                    Ali Alhaidary
                                    <[email protected]
                                    <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                    wrote:
                                    >>>> I would love it to be an
                                    option like caps and special
                                    characters, especially with the
                                    difficulty of RTL users like ours :-)
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> On 11/30/20 8:42 AM, Maxim
                                    Solodovnik wrote:
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Hello Robert,
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> it is currently impossible
                                    without code modification
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at
                                    14:37, Robert Savickas
                                    <[email protected]
                                    <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                    wrote:
                                    >>>>> Dear Maxim,
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> Is there a way to disable
                                    captcha when changing the
                                    password? The images are often
                                    difficult to read, and many users
                                    have to reset the captcha image a
                                    few times, till they finally get it.
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> Thank you.
                                    >>>>> Robert
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020, 01:15
                                    Maxim Solodovnik
                                    <[email protected]
                                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
                                    >>>>>> Hello all,
                                    >>>>>>
                                    >>>>>> I have added notifications
                                    to OM (as part of OPENMEETINGS-2190)
                                    >>>>>> Could you please  take a
                                    look at demo-next and tell me WDYT?
                                    >>>>>>
                                    >>>>>> maybe it should be
                                    improved somehow?
                                    >>>>>> text, icon, anything else :)
                                    >>>>>>
                                    >>>>>> --
                                    >>>>>> Best regards,
                                    >>>>>> Maxim
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> --
                                    >>>> Best regards,
                                    >>>> Maxim
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> --
                                    >>> Best regards,
                                    >>> Maxim
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> --
                                    >> Best regards,
                                    >> Maxim
                                    >
                                    >



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